We are survival prime yes? Can we get the 2 second search perk that the other survival primes have?

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Not sure how survival prime is lacking as a result of 3.0.

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The teeth lands a solid (5/23) hit that pokes the teeth into Turul's rear end (more embarrassing than painful!).

>> Just want the survival prime perk that the other ones have since we ARE survival prime.

Yes please. And have vivisection teach stealth. Snipe does... :) Also lower min prep on vivi while you are at it.

> Not sure how survival prime is lacking as a result of 3.0

Because hiding isn't nearly as useful after new combat has came out. One of the most undoubted main uses of a survival prime guild has always been stealth, its probably the one main use that most people choose the skillset for. As of now I can search somebody out pretty much every search with 100 more hiding than my perception, and thats not even taking into account watch. It is pretty ridiculous seeing how 1st strike doesn't matter nearly as much now. The only guild that doesn't lose out to much is the thief guild suprisingly because while they are aeen intitially hiding or easily pointed out they can still perform their ambushes regardless.

>>Stealth lets you get the drop on when combat happens. That means you can initiate more easily. Coupled with very potent anti-magic and a zombie ready to summon, and you still have a number of options available to you.

No, it really doesnt. Cause you come out of stealth with either a ranged shot, or possibly a nice big 100 mana viv and maybe get a good hit that doesnt even cause a wound. Then your target easily skips away to freedom. Buffs up. And comes looking for you. First strike maybe. Actually useful? Not really. (also I don't think anyone was talking about Anti-magic or zombies)

>>Also, if you're worried that survival prime is no longer viable, cater to your evasion. Watch certainly needs attention, but the hide/ambush/hide style of PvP needed to stop, as having a single skill that effectively kept you immune from PvP was stupid broken anyway.

I think the contested checks are all way out of whack. with well over 1200 stealth buffed. People with 800-900 perception were searching me out. Without me saying a word, just targetting Viv the same people saw me target. And moved away. Losing my first strike because of stealth. I am in no way saying we need to old stealth immunity that we used to have. But come on. It has clearly shifted to the nearly useless.

>>Also, lets stop with the skyisfallingzomg constant GvG, it's really trite.

You seem to be the only person here getting all worked up about this. You clearly don't pvp much as a necro, and thats fine. But it does make you look like you have no idea what your talking about.

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>>While your at it can we get Vivisection looked at? So it A) Works from Eyes of the blind. and B) Work like it did in 2.0 where preping and targetting the spell did not give perception checks. That was the best part of the spell. Please and Thank you.

That won't happen as quickly (the SEARCH change was a one-line bug fix), but I do plan to revisit Vivisection in the near future.

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>>I do plan to revisit Vivisection in the near future.

Thanks for looking into VIV again. It was one of my favorite 2.0 spells and now I barely touch it.

Granted, IMO the biggest nail in the coffin for VIV is the minimum prep, but anything else that can be adjusted would also be appreciated.

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The teeth lands a solid (5/23) hit that pokes the teeth into Turul's rear end (more embarrassing than painful!).

Oh and to add to that, loading a bow from hiding also has a perception check. That seems equivalent to the spell prep part of vivisection.

>>I think the major issue with all things stealth is when they tried to sway it from the OP hax situation it was before it swayed to far 300 perception should not trump near 500 stealth. WATCH is extreamly over the top considering what I just mentioned. and even 1:1 ratio would be nice with modifier on perception based on wisdom stat and stealth based on discipline. As always just my opinion.

Agreed 100%. Watch needs to be renovated and stealth/perception checks need to be balanced. The only thing is, once you've come out of stealth in an attack, or other blatant manner, there should be a penalty to stealth. Nothing huge, but something to represent that the people who were in the room when you did that now know you're there. Now with an attack it may need to be a larger penalty, but non-combat activities don't need to be as harsh.

In order to keep it balanced, it should really be a positive perception modifier for the people who were in the room at the time rather than a negative stealth modifier on the one who was hiding. That way someone who walks in doesn't see you more easily than they normally would.

Yeah, WATCH is preposterous and has no business being in the code. If someone puts up ranks in a skill let them reap the rewards.


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