I'm just curious what sect people associate which spells with.

There's clearly a number that are debatable, and quite a few with no clear indicators, so I don't expect every spell to be able to be assigned to a sect. This is mostly to satisfy my idle curiosity and possible inspire me to write messaging for a spell or two that are either in the works or revisions to existing spells as we go along.

-Raesh

"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things

>>it could even just be its own spell really where after they drop whatever they are holding

Come to think of it, dropping items in general could go away. It might be easier and nicer if the spell just stopped them from attacking with weapons for a period of time and maybe hampered "hand held" defenses only but left arm worn as they were.


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>>Since you asked: this has always been a slight gripe of mine since almost no spells actually "feel" like the Nomads.

Keep in mind - the Compact makes up a HUGE amount of the guild so the "default" setting for spells and Moon Mage 'stuff' is basically Compact (With Progeny running a distance second). I'd say Fortune's Path has the strongest identity outside of those two since it tends to get used to represent the "fortune teller/web of Fate" side of the guild.

Anyhow - I'll thread run for awhile and maybe share my thoughts at the end about some of the pairings.

Random Trivia: Of the seven sect favored spells, four of them are perception spells and three are moonlight manipulation. Make of that what you will.

-Raesh

"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things

> Yeah I always got that and I have a secret hope that now that High Sorceries spells can be a mix of other Magic Prime guilds that there will be a Cleric/Nomad mix since Nomads have always been this strange inbetween of those two guilds anyways.

Huh. I would have said that the priests of the MM guild are the Monks and the Prophets. And not just because of the names. Both have an "enlightenment through introspection" (mysticism in the correct sense of the word) going on.

G'nar Pethians aren't so much enlightenment through introspection as they are enlightenment through occult lore tied to a mystery religion. They're the closest to Hermetic philosophers ... or Scientologists, depending on which way you want to slant it.

Nomad Moon Mages literally take the position in their society that priests normally inhabit.

-Armifer
"Perinthia's astronomers are faced with a difficult choice. Either they must admit that all their calculations were wrong ... or else they must reveal that the order of the gods is reflected exactly in the city of monsters." - Italo Calvino

> Huh. I would have said that the priests of the MM guild are the Monks and the Prophets. And not just because of the names. Both have an "enlightenment through introspection" (mysticism in the correct sense of the word) going on.

I can kind of see that but I always saw it as Nomads since they kind of are the priests on the Plateau. They speak with the spirits of the dead, bones are sacred tools used to predict the future, animists, and the fact that they have a cantrip solely devoted to helping Rezz (although I actually have no idea if it even works after the rewrite since so few people rezz in a spot that is appropriate for it).

> I can kind of see that but I always saw it as Nomads since they kind of are the priests on the Plateau. They speak with the spirits of the dead, bones are sacred tools used to predict the future, animists, and the fact that they have a cantrip solely devoted to helping Rezz (although I actually have no idea if it even works after the rewrite since so few people rezz in a spot that is appropriate for it).

I guess I'm not up on my nomad lore.

>>I'd love to know if this cantrip still does anything myself. I strongly doubt it. I still use it because it's cool but it's definitely one of those abilities that feels extremely dated.

If it doesn't work anymore, it might be interesting if it could help reduce death's sting or restore spirit health post-depart/raise.

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>>> For what it's worth, I have trouble fitting the majority of the Psychic Projection spellbook into the sect system.
Have you considered the story of the emperor of the line (https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Emperor_of_the_Line). It implies that the Monks and Celestials were heavily involved in enlightened geometry spells.

Aside from what has been mentioned above:

Artificer's Eye: Either the nomads or the prophets (the latter were my first inclination). The nomads were the guilds' first enchanters but the prophets modified it to become piercing gaze and it may have originated with them.
Starlight Sphere: Prophets
Tangled Fate: FOrtune's path (I mostly have this associated when I consider the camp that attempts to escape the influence of fate as well as Borugars' dalliances with sorcery. A similar argument might be made for sovereign destiny)







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>>>> However, Enlightened Geometry =/= Psychic Projection.

Oops. Somehow I read psychic projection and ended up thinking you meant enlightened geometry.

I tend to view Psychic Projection as an emphasis of the G'nar Pethians, and a few years back wrote of them in historical times using what was essentially a Lunar version of EOTB that had a disastrous side effect.

-Armifer
"Perinthia's astronomers are faced with a difficult choice. Either they must admit that all their calculations were wrong ... or else they must reveal that the order of the gods is reflected exactly in the city of monsters." - Italo Calvino

Here's my take:

Sect	Known association with sect	My take on others	Themes	Spellbooks featured heavily
Celestial Compact	Burn, Cage of Light, Dazzle, Focus Moonbeam, Refractive Field, Steps of Vuan	Contingency, Invocation of the Spheres, Partial displacement, Riftal Summons, Shift Moonbeam, Whole Displacement	Light and illusion, teleportation, naming rituals.	Moonlight Manipulation, Enlightened Geometry.
Fortune's Path	Aura Sight, Seer's Sense	Distant Gaze	Prediction, scrying, sixth sense, astrology in the modern sense, jack of all trades - I see them being the ones that brought the largest facility with prediction including things like being able to predict for any skill.	Perception, Prediction
Heritage House	Unleash		History, knowledge. I don't see this sect as having spells belong to them. They're a modern concept of moon mage that specifically exists to denounce such concepts as spells belonging to sects. They would certainly know and document such things, but wouldn't treat it as relevant to modern times.	n/a
Monks of the Crystal Hand	Moonblade	Crystal Spike (old), Empower Moonblade, Mental Blast, Mind Shout, Psychic Shield	Combat, introspection, self-enhancement, force of will, mind over body, manifestation of their psyche in the physical world	Moonlight Manipulation, Psychic Projection
Nomads of the Arid Steppe	Clear Vision, Telekinetic Throw	Telekinetic Storm	Telekinesis, survival, religious significance	Enlightened Geometry, Perception
Progeny of Tezirah	Shadows, Shadow Servant, Tezirah's Veil	Dinazen Olkar, Rend, Shadowling, Tenebrous Sense	Shadows, power through manipulation and/or corruption rather than brute force, summoning, sorcery	Moonlight Manipulation, Enlightened Geometry
Prophets of G'nar Peth	Piercing Gaze, Artificer's Eye	Calm, Hypnotize, Machinist's Touch, Sleep, Thoughtcast	Manipulation, secrecy, hidden knowledge, facility with magical devices, archaeology	Perception, Psychic Projection

I left out ritual and teleologic spells. Teleo would probably most be associated with the Progeny and the ritual spells are a bit of a hodge-podge of effects.

The Children literally created (or, well, re-created) teleologic sorcery, so I gotta agree with that assessment. Its introduction to the game was literally Ealuik handing Sever Thread scrolls to a few Moon Mage PCs.

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This is an awesome discussion because while I know it is impossible, I always thought it would be cool if you had to go to different guild leaders and sect halls for different spells. Too much coding though for too little benefit.

It only applies to one spell over there. It's surprisingly easy to implement now that I know how, but is anti-user-friendly, so probably won't see wide implementation. Limited implementation (such as it is now, where specific spells for specific reasons are limited) may happen, though.

-Armifer
"Perinthia's astronomers are faced with a difficult choice. Either they must admit that all their calculations were wrong ... or else they must reveal that the order of the gods is reflected exactly in the city of monsters." - Italo Calvino

Fortune's path:
Seer's Sense (sixth sense)
Aura Sense (sixth sense)
Read the Ripples and influence on predictions (moon mages use the FP's terminology)
Hypnotize (because everyone knows gypsies are the charismatic ones in the guild).

Nomads spells tend to go with perception, telekinesis, and enlightened geometry. It seems that they schools are split a bit between the different tribes but they share knowledge.

This quote from Cherulisa and the fur-clad nomad shows the Benesu using telekinetic throw:
Cherulisa says, "In the old days, the Benesu were the wealthiest of the tribes, and were constantly besieged because of it. They created powerful Perception and telekinetic magic to fend off poachers. The Benesu spear, though it is nothing more than brightly painted wood and iron, is one of our greatest symbols of tribal violence."

The fur-clad nomad softly says, "Benesu is a name connected with the animals of the Arid Steppe. The greatest herds were tended by the Benesu, which led them to unending conflict with the other tribes. In battle they favored their spears, which they painted bright colors. It is said that with the magic of the moons, the Benesu could hurl their spears at poachers on the horizon and strike unerringly at their hearts."

So any telekinetic spell could come from the tribe if you'd like.

This quote shows the wind walkers using teleport:
Cherulisa says, "They were once an insular tribe, which gave rise to odd rumors about them, such as some silly business with a catapult. Still, when we shared out knowledge after the peace of Kir, they taught us much about what is now called "enlightened geometry" and the use of teleportational energy."

The fur-clad nomad smiles and says, "The Windwalkers are an interesting bunch. Most of the Arid Steppe is flat, but as one heads far to the west, massive mountains rise up. This is the domain of the Windwalkers, moving north and south with the seasons, but never leaving the higher elevations. There they build homes on sheer cliffs, where one false step would lead to certain doom." The nomad gazes toward the west. "Some say they're insane, and that they use great catapults to hurl their tethered warriors into the sky to hunt birds. Rumors abound that they have the ability to teleport into the sky and back down again in an eye blink."

So the tribes could be a source of some kind of enlightened geometry spells.

It might also be fun to make use of the D'Reathor vision tents during a quest.

To conclude Nomads are proficient with perception spells, telekinetic spells and teleportation spells. I personally feel it might be nice to get a more mystical feel to some of our magic though it seems we're moving a way from that. I just think that G'nar peths and Nomads thrive on the mysticism aspect and kinda get left out.

>>Blame the stifling and oppressive Celestian hegemony. Goodness knows my PC does.

The Compact does loom large over the guild.

-Raesh

"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things

>I know that this is an extraordinarily old post, but I was wondering if we ever decided which spells belong to which sect AND if that can be made available to players.

As far as I know this page is still accurate:

https://elanthipedia.play.net/Sect_spell_affinity

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