I just figured I'd take a moment to recap what the planned Moon Mage spells are since I know we've been discussing quite a few of them in the past and I just want people on the same page. As usual, please don't take this as concrete promises and nothing here has a release date.

Perception
Destiny Cipher - Ritual spell that improves visions and tool use.
Braun's Conjecture - Ritual spell that eases some high level prediction feats.

Moonlight Manipulation
Eclipse - Minor physical damage barrier that can be activated to nullify the next attack and place the caster in hiding (Barrier Review).
Shadow Web - TM/Debil hybrid AoE spell that attempts to ensnare targets and shortly follow up with TM attacks (May be renamed and possibly move to Enlightened Geometry.)

Psychic Projection
Telekinetic Shield - Strong physical damage barrier that protects the caster in a field of debris suspended on telekinetic currents (Barrier Review).
Seal of Deflection - Anti TM barrier (Will be renamed. Barrier Review).
Mind Shout - AoE debilitation CC with tbd secondary effect. Will no longer have remote casting (Rewrite).
Telekinetic Storm - Single target "cannon" TM spell (Which is a new, higher damage non-spammable TM template. Shadow Web takes over as the primary Moon Mage AoE TM spell. Essentially, this will take the spell back to it's initial form before a dozen rewrites).

Stellar
Read the Ripples - Ritual spell that bypasses the observation timer.
Nera's Legacy - Damage barrier that's more effective at night (Barrier Review).
Sorrow - Created two delayed TM attacks. Chance for the first attack to be a feint (Crystal Spike Reskin).

Teleologic Sorcery (Even moreso than the rest these names are likely to change)
Kolberoc's Fury - Warps fate to increase the caster's effectiveness with the a moonblade.
Teleologic Barrier - Uses observation pools to avoid incoming attacks (Post-Barrier Review).
Secret High Sorcery - One of the ideas behind High Sorcery is letting guilds access effects that would normally belong to another guild. This was the primary example of that in the TS book but is going to be revamped into a slightly different (though more useful) effect in a project that I can't talk about yet. The only reason I mention it here is because I believe I've discussed High Sorcery letting effects bleed over in the past and that's something Teleologic Sorcery struggles to do since it's so tightly bound to prophecy.

There's also a few stray spells planned spells from the 3.0 conversion, though Scry and Return Thought are the only two that comes to mind. I have no update on those at this time.

I'm also planning some minor revisions to the spellbooks similar to what was done for perception, but the only real restructuring planned is for psychic project and the major spell changes are already reflected above.

-Raesh

"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things

Oh my precious spell slots ....

These all look great and I am really happy to see some of them moving towards completion. I'm the most excited to see the extensions to teleological sorcery. I haven't found any good fits with the current spells but the corruption would be a great RP touch for my character. Really like the idea of the teleological barrier. Would be nice if kolcroc's fury wasn't just isolated to moonblades. My impression is that moonblades require a lot of spell slots (4 to fully unlock) and some weaponsmith training to be competitive with player crafted weapons - though I suppose there is an argument to be made that by growing the moonblade tree of spells maybe they become more viable alternatives. Maybe that one just wont be for me.

Thank you for posting this list Raesh. It looks really great.

>>I am assuming that shadow web will initially fire off the snare, then maybe a few pulses of damage? I'm also assuming you MUST latch onto them with it for any secondary TM effects to be used?

Something like that, though we'll see how it ends in practice. It's almost certain I'd check for things that were snared not things that are snared just to make sure DR and web breaks don't hose the TM component.

>>These all look great and I am really happy to see some of them moving towards completion.

I'm not sure I'd phrase it that way - most of these are still just through proposals and I can't dedicate my time to just doing Moon Mage spells (Keep in mind I also work full time and have recently returned to college as well).

Realistically you should have Read the Ripples soonish and I'd expect Braun's Conjecture and Destiny Cipher to follow (Since they'll both be easy to write). Sorrow is up next because a lot of work has already been done on it and we've been promising it a long time. It will also force me to finish the TM pulse spell mechanics which will be of benefit to a lot of the rest of development.

The order beyond that gets fuzzy - a lot of it is spurred by what grabs my interest at the time. The barrier spells should come in one chunk once we resource the barrier review (With Nera's Legacy's possibly lagging due to being stellar and the teleologic one some time after the rest of the barrier system proves stable.)

The mind shout rewrite should be relatively soon (Since it won't be that complex and I want to finish up the polish passes on each of the spellbooks) but TKS could be further down the line depending on how long it takes to create and balance the new TM template. TKS also needs to come after Shadow Web.

Not sure about Kolberoc's Fury. I've put a lot of thought into it and have figured out how to mechanically make it work but I've only just scratched the surface of the code and it's been on the shelf for nearly a year which can make it hard to pick a project back up.

>>Would be nice if kolcroc's fury wasn't just isolated to moonblades.

It's extremely tied to moonblades.

>>Kolberoc's Fury doesn't require EMMO

I haven't set preqs but that wouldn't be one of them. It will require moonblade (of course) and most likely some other TS knowledge.

>>Please tell us that Kolberoc's Fury also cosmetically alters the moonblade (like Sibo Nijare) and turns it into an uncontrolled blade of gravity defying, eye searing amaranthine light.

That is my intention, yes.

>>I'm guessing that KF is a +weapon skill reflecting the moonblade template in hand? If so, will it automatically shift as you shape the moonblade into different templates?

That is half of what the spell will do, yes. The other half will be a unique mechanic more tied to Fate.

>>Or does KF make your moonblade a probability blade that shifts weapon damage type to whatever your target's lowest protection/absorption damage type is on strike?

No, though that's kind of cool.

>>Or does KF cause higher moonlight collimation to further increase the moonblade damage stats? Hoping this.

That is not currently the intention. Moonblades can already get to tier 5 under the right circumstances. Getting them higher is... unlikely. Keep in mind elemental weapons can only get to tier 5 and that requires rare metals.

-Raesh

"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things

<Realistically you should have Read the Ripples soonish and I'd expect Braun's Conjecture and Destiny Cipher to follow (Since they'll both be easy to write). Sorrow is up next because a lot of work has already been done on it and we've been promising it a long time. It will also force me to finish the TM pulse spell mechanics which will be of benefit to a lot of the rest of development.

Yeah, just idea's flowing around. I'm certain everything is just dandy with that much.

Raesh... we love you.

A few questions. Please forgive me if anything seems repeated. I can have a bad memory for these things.

>>Destiny Cipher - Ritual spell that improves visions and tool use.

Curious about this. Will it still be useful to a high-level person with a capped tool?

>>Braun's Conjecture - Ritual spell that eases some high level prediction feats.

Are there prediction feats other than ALIGN SPLIT and ALIGN TRANSMOGRIFY?

>>Shadow Web - TM/Debil hybrid AoE spell that attempts to ensnare targets and shortly follow up with TM attacks (May be renamed and possibly move to Enlightened Geometry.)

/drool. There goes my attempt to avoid shadow spells.

>>Telekinetic Storm - Single target "cannon" TM spell (Which is a new, higher damage non-spammable TM template.

Love the idea of a cannon spell and love that MMs get one! Will it still require you to drop a projectile? If so, at the very least can this part work from the at-feet slot? Right now I have to make sure I have my arrow, get it, drop it, and whenever I'm done try not to leave it behind. It's just annoying, especially in invasions and such.

>>Sorrow - Created two delayed TM attacks. Chance for the first attack to be a feint (Crystal Spike Reskin).

What does a feint mean in this context? Lower damage but more unbalancing?

>>There's also a few stray spells planned spells from the 3.0 conversion, though Scry and Return Thought are the only two that comes to mind.

I forget what Scry was supposed to do. Return Thought I thought was already implemented: You can currently Thoughtcast to someone and they have a certain window to THINK TO you.

While you are considering spells, I would like to bring up TKT and PD. These two spells are virtually identical (basic single-target TM, puncture/impact damage), except TKT requires you to juggle the arrow situation. The problem is that both are at the base of spell trees, with TKT being especially difficult to avoid. With all the new spells and choices, I may have to drop PD despite the fact that flavor-wise it is one of my favorites. Possible solutions seem to be either 1) changing prereqs somehow (seems hard), or 2) swapping the damage types of one of the spells.


- Navesi

<<>>Sorrow - Created two delayed TM attacks. Chance for the first attack to be a feint (Crystal Spike Reskin).
<<What does a feint mean in this context? Lower damage but more unbalancing?

I believe the first hit of the old Crystal Spike spell unbalanced the target when it was a feint. There was no damage. Going by the demonstration that happened in Test a while ago this appears to still be the case, although it's entirely possible that it's just the old messaging not correctly indicating what is going on since it was just a placeholder for the updated messaging he hasn't written yet.

https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Talk:Crystal_Spike
Feint attack:
A soaring actinic spine quivers silently before streaking towards you!
The spine narrowly misses, detonating just to your left. You flinch away from the assault, notably staggered.

<<I forget what Scry was supposed to do.

It was supposed to be a return of the old general cast Locate I think, but which granted spot effect and didn't have quite so long a range.

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I would assume so, given that he mentioned it was losing the remote capability. No point to using a moonbeam as a focus if it can't be cast at range anymore.

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By the way, what kind of secondary effect would you like to see with Mind Shout? I have some ideas but none of them have really tickled my fancy yet.

I'm trying to avoid turning it into Thunderclap v2.0.

-Raesh

"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things

Internal head damage.

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"But you must know that if corruption is powerful enough, it's not corruption at all — it's law. Unspoken, unwritten, but law." — Robert Jackson Bennett, City of Stairs

>>By the way, what kind of secondary effect would you like to see with Mind Shout? I have some ideas but none of them have really tickled my fancy yet.

Periodic smaller secondary stuns, with messaging about wandering about aimlessly. In the look description while active, show 1 eye focused, while the other staring off into space. Think tremor but instead of seismic activity, it would be psychic energy cascading outwards from the caster.

The weird concussion like effect that those Elpazi suicide birds caused, is that a direct result of internal head wounds or was it a separate additional effect? It was a pretty cool effect.

You people have weird, and complicated, ideas for secondary effects.

Many of those achieve the trinity of extremely complex to imminent, more powerful than a secondary effect should be and rather niche (though I can tell you a bunch of PvPers.)

Carry on.

-Raesh

"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things

I'm more thinking of like throwing the whole damned thing lol. Like chucking a weapon, but being able to target it since you are all magey and stuff.

Monster Elec

You hear the distant echo of a savage Horde snarling in barbaric disapproval of your deeds.

You can throw moonblades. We coded them for that and everything.

-Raesh

"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things

>>You can throw moonblades. We coded them for that and everything.

I still remember that day.

"We're going to let any weapon be thrown."
"Ooh, ooh, I know exactly how to support that."

-Armifer
"Perinthia's astronomers are faced with a difficult choice. Either they must admit that all their calculations were wrong ... or else they must reveal that the order of the gods is reflected exactly in the city of monsters." - Italo Calvino

At the very least I think TKT should be changed to draw items that are in the AtFeet slot instead of actually on the ground. Wouldn't that alone save some headaches? At least on the player usability side...

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"But you must know that if corruption is powerful enough, it's not corruption at all — it's law. Unspoken, unwritten, but law." — Robert Jackson Bennett, City of Stairs

Hell no.

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For mind shout i would go with a chance of stun and a chance to loose the current target.

>I think I'd make Mind Shout a metaspell that adds "cast creatures", "cast area", and "cast engaged" options to Calm, Sleep, and Mental Blast.

While owning a 7 slot spell would be epic I somehow doubt this happens.

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