<<Piercing Gaze - Changed to Utility from Augmentation.
I'm not on the Moon Mage to check, but you meant the reverse right? It's now a Utility spell?
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Re: Perception Spellbook Changes
01/05/2016 09:52 AM CST
Is Machinist's Touch castable on others?
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DR-RAESH
Re: Perception Spellbook Changes
01/05/2016 10:00 AM CST
>>>Piercing Gaze - Changed to Utility from Augmentation.
>>I'm not on the Moon Mage to check, but you meant the reverse right? It's now a Utility spell?
That's what I wrote. It was Augmentation and now it's Utility.
>>Is Machinist's Touch castable on others?
Yes. Though I currently have the... side effects turned off. (I decided they were more annoying than amusing, but I reserve the right to change my mind on that.)
-Raesh
"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things
>>I'm not on the Moon Mage to check, but you meant the reverse right? It's now a Utility spell?
That's what I wrote. It was Augmentation and now it's Utility.
>>Is Machinist's Touch castable on others?
Yes. Though I currently have the... side effects turned off. (I decided they were more annoying than amusing, but I reserve the right to change my mind on that.)
-Raesh
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ABSOLON
Re: Perception Spellbook Changes
01/05/2016 10:12 AM CST
Oy. This is what happens when you have little sleep. Carry on.
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Re: Perception Spellbook Changes
01/05/2016 10:13 AM CST
>>Is Machinist's Touch castable on others?
>>Yes. Though I currently have the... side effects turned off. (I decided they were more annoying than amusing, but I reserve the right to change my mind on that.)
Sweet. I'll check it out when I get home tonight.
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>>Yes. Though I currently have the... side effects turned off. (I decided they were more annoying than amusing, but I reserve the right to change my mind on that.)
Sweet. I'll check it out when I get home tonight.
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ABSOLON
Re: Perception Spellbook Changes
01/05/2016 10:38 AM CST
There's a typo in the ending message:
>>You enhanced somatic senses fade away.
Should be 'your' at the start
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>>You enhanced somatic senses fade away.
Should be 'your' at the start
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Re: Perception Spellbook Changes
01/05/2016 03:04 PM CST
Okay, all these changes are up on the wiki now. There is a less than negligible chance that I messed something up, particularly with the graphical spell tree, so please let me know if you find something wrong. The Moon Mage spell tree is more like a Moon Mage spell bramble.
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Re: Perception Spellbook Changes
01/05/2016 03:14 PM CST
>>The Moon Mage spell tree is more like a Moon Mage spell bramble.
I've tried hard to have it make sense! And I gave you a preview of this like two weeks ago - with a graphic :)
Also it'd make WAY more sense if you dropped the FM --> Teleport/DG line and just left it with a subtitle.
Likewise if you move MT in line with the other advanced perception spells and just leave a note that you can use TS instead of PG you clean it up a lot.
Also you're going to hate me in the near future.
-Raesh
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I've tried hard to have it make sense! And I gave you a preview of this like two weeks ago - with a graphic :)
Also it'd make WAY more sense if you dropped the FM --> Teleport/DG line and just left it with a subtitle.
Likewise if you move MT in line with the other advanced perception spells and just leave a note that you can use TS instead of PG you clean it up a lot.
Also you're going to hate me in the near future.
-Raesh
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ABSOLON
Re: Perception Spellbook Changes
01/05/2016 03:22 PM CST
<<And I gave you a preview of this like two weeks ago - with a graphic :)
Yup! It was a very good visual aid for me to follow. (Although, it was visually wrong for Machinist's Touch despite the text prerequisites being listed correctly.)
<<Also it'd make WAY more sense if you dropped the FM --> Teleport/DG line and just left it with a subtitle.
I wrestle with that every time I make an adjustment to the Moon Mage spell tree, but only on this tree. The issue I personally have with not having a direct line there is that I find it difficult to trace the paths without the visual aid, so I'm willing to have a bit more of a mess and tangle to keep that.
<<Also you're going to hate me in the near future.
Yes, I know. /sigh You're working on psychic projection I think, right?
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Yup! It was a very good visual aid for me to follow. (Although, it was visually wrong for Machinist's Touch despite the text prerequisites being listed correctly.)
<<Also it'd make WAY more sense if you dropped the FM --> Teleport/DG line and just left it with a subtitle.
I wrestle with that every time I make an adjustment to the Moon Mage spell tree, but only on this tree. The issue I personally have with not having a direct line there is that I find it difficult to trace the paths without the visual aid, so I'm willing to have a bit more of a mess and tangle to keep that.
<<Also you're going to hate me in the near future.
Yes, I know. /sigh You're working on psychic projection I think, right?
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Re: Perception Spellbook Changes
01/05/2016 03:43 PM CST
>>You're working on psychic projection I think, right?
It's on the list - yes - though I'm not sure how soon. It's a little more involved with overhauling some of the spells.
But I also have plans for the Perception spellbook. You might want to clear some space after Seer's Sense.
-Raesh
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It's on the list - yes - though I'm not sure how soon. It's a little more involved with overhauling some of the spells.
But I also have plans for the Perception spellbook. You might want to clear some space after Seer's Sense.
-Raesh
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ABSOLON
Re: Perception Spellbook Changes
01/05/2016 04:00 PM CST
Oh, that'll be easy to squeeze in there without too much work, unless you're talking a whole whack of spells. I know of that one planned Read the Ripples (name still tbf) spell, so as long as that's all it is that's not a worry.
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Re: Perception Spellbook Changes
01/05/2016 04:03 PM CST
I'm about 90% sure Read the Ripples will remain through development. I've grown rather fond of the name. Right now it requires 50th and Seer's Sense.
-Raesh
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ABSOLON
Re: Perception Spellbook Changes
01/05/2016 04:07 PM CST
Raesh's Rigorous Ripple Reading Regimen hasn't caught your fancy? ;)
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Re: Perception Spellbook Changes
01/05/2016 04:15 PM CST
You should see the title of a proposal I put in earlier today. Naohhi's response upon seeing it was something I can't repeat in a family setting.
-Raesh
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DR-NAOHHI
Re: Perception Spellbook Changes
01/05/2016 04:23 PM CST
TOS warnings for anyone who guesses correctly! (Don't try to guess on the forums, really, please, don't.)
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DR-ARMIFER
Re: Perception Spellbook Changes
01/05/2016 04:27 PM CST
*gets home*
*loads up the proposals lists*
RAESH!
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*loads up the proposals lists*
RAESH!
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ILLIENA
Re: Perception Spellbook Changes
01/05/2016 09:54 PM CST
I suspect you could clean things up in the tree by reordering the books. Swap Perception and MM so it goes EG, MM, Perception and then Psychic Projection. You'd still have FM making a long distance trip to Mind Shout, but that path isn't such an issue since it's on the far right.
FLINT-TIPPED
Re: Perception Spellbook Changes
01/05/2016 10:41 PM CST
>prep mt 50
That will disrupt less than a quarter of your current attunement.
You direct your attention toward the heavens and trace the lunar sigils for the Machinist's Touch spell in the air.
You feel fully prepared to cast your spell.
>cast
You gesture.
Your flesh tingles as your somatic senses are amplified.
S'Kra Mur have scales rather than flesh.
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That will disrupt less than a quarter of your current attunement.
You direct your attention toward the heavens and trace the lunar sigils for the Machinist's Touch spell in the air.
You feel fully prepared to cast your spell.
>cast
You gesture.
Your flesh tingles as your somatic senses are amplified.
S'Kra Mur have scales rather than flesh.
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DR-ARMIFER
Re: Perception Spellbook Changes
01/05/2016 11:04 PM CST
S'kra Mur have flesh, or they'd be very undead. You're thinking of skin.
It's arguable that the messaging should reflect scales instead of flesh for S'kra Mur, but not for the reason of lack.
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It's arguable that the messaging should reflect scales instead of flesh for S'kra Mur, but not for the reason of lack.
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FLINT-TIPPED
Re: Perception Spellbook Changes
01/05/2016 11:11 PM CST
>S'kra Mur have flesh, or they'd be very undead. You're thinking of skin.
Ah yep. Well I can live with flesh I guess...unless it's super easy to modify the messaging for scales. Cause I love it when my scales tingle.
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Ah yep. Well I can live with flesh I guess...unless it's super easy to modify the messaging for scales. Cause I love it when my scales tingle.
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Re: Perception Spellbook Changes
01/06/2016 03:41 AM CST
<<I suspect you could clean things up in the tree by reordering the books. Swap Perception and MM so it goes EG, MM, Perception and then Psychic Projection. You'd still have FM making a long distance trip to Mind Shout, but that path isn't such an issue since it's on the far right.
I've tried that in the past, but although that solves the tangles between the second and third columns, it caused a mess between the third and fourth columns. I went with the current layout because the tangles it produced were less ugly. That said, all of that was before the recent changes. I can still see where it would tangle up a bit, but it might be less messy than it used to be. I'll have to take a look.
Unfortunately, it's not easy to move things around or make changes anymore, since the free web-based flowchart software I used to create the files implemented stricter limits on free accounts for numbers of objects about a year ago and the Moon Mage tree far exceeds the new limit they set. I.e. every box, path, and text is an object. I manually add the circle slots in MS Paint because object limits even before their lower limits weren't enough to cover all of those. As a result, I've had to manually add new spells and jig things around in MS Paint since then.
I'm currently researching other software options that I can re-make the trees in that might not be so restrictive for object count and still keep the other editing features I want, but that will take a bit of time just to convert them over even if I'm able to find software I like right away. I'm actually really interested in draw.io right now. It's a google+ flowchart app that saves files right to your google drive which gives me the potential to open up the project to other people if I want, although my inner perfectionist likes to keep access limited. So far I can't find any information on what object limits it has, and I'm still testing it out to see if I can get similar results and how smart its pathing between objects is, but it looks promising.
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I've tried that in the past, but although that solves the tangles between the second and third columns, it caused a mess between the third and fourth columns. I went with the current layout because the tangles it produced were less ugly. That said, all of that was before the recent changes. I can still see where it would tangle up a bit, but it might be less messy than it used to be. I'll have to take a look.
Unfortunately, it's not easy to move things around or make changes anymore, since the free web-based flowchart software I used to create the files implemented stricter limits on free accounts for numbers of objects about a year ago and the Moon Mage tree far exceeds the new limit they set. I.e. every box, path, and text is an object. I manually add the circle slots in MS Paint because object limits even before their lower limits weren't enough to cover all of those. As a result, I've had to manually add new spells and jig things around in MS Paint since then.
I'm currently researching other software options that I can re-make the trees in that might not be so restrictive for object count and still keep the other editing features I want, but that will take a bit of time just to convert them over even if I'm able to find software I like right away. I'm actually really interested in draw.io right now. It's a google+ flowchart app that saves files right to your google drive which gives me the potential to open up the project to other people if I want, although my inner perfectionist likes to keep access limited. So far I can't find any information on what object limits it has, and I'm still testing it out to see if I can get similar results and how smart its pathing between objects is, but it looks promising.
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Re: Perception Spellbook Changes
01/06/2016 04:56 AM CST
>>skin/scales/puppy dog tails
Eh, I considered doing it when I wrote the spell. We've certainly done it other times. I ended up using flesh for two reasons:
1) I was feeling lazy.
2) Somatic senses are both internal and external.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somatosensory_system
There's a reason the spell doesn't say it just enhances touch. Some of the side effects I have turned off drove this point home a little more - but they were also rather irritating.
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"It was wise enough to know itself, and brave enough to BE itself, and wild enough to change itself while somehow staying altogether true." ― The Slow Regard of Silent Things
Eh, I considered doing it when I wrote the spell. We've certainly done it other times. I ended up using flesh for two reasons:
1) I was feeling lazy.
2) Somatic senses are both internal and external.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somatosensory_system
There's a reason the spell doesn't say it just enhances touch. Some of the side effects I have turned off drove this point home a little more - but they were also rather irritating.
-Raesh
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BENNETTJ13
Re: Perception Spellbook Changes
01/06/2016 10:22 AM CST
Skaens tingling scales creep me out.
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ABSOLON
Re: Perception Spellbook Changes
01/06/2016 04:50 PM CST
I think I figured out a spell tree layout that isn't as busy overall. I focused on keeping Focus Moonbeam centralized since it links to multiple spells across all spell books and clustering groups of abilities by link families rather than worry so much about keeping spellbooks intact. There's a few outliers here and there with long winding links, like Seer's Sense to Riftal Summons, but overall there's less crossing of lines now.
I also used the different software. It doesn't produce as pretty a product as the former software since there's less bells and whistles, but it's actually easier and faster to use. Particularly because there's no object limits and they have a scratchpad I can save pre-fab object groups on for easy addition.
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I also used the different software. It doesn't produce as pretty a product as the former software since there's less bells and whistles, but it's actually easier and faster to use. Particularly because there's no object limits and they have a scratchpad I can save pre-fab object groups on for easy addition.
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Re: Perception Spellbook Changes
01/12/2016 02:09 AM CST
I like piercing gaze being castable upon others as I have always seen people seeking out wizards for magical assistance. I know this might not happen for a variety of reasons, but I wouldnt object to us still having the messaging about seeing the contents of someone's stomach either. It just always made me grin.
FLINT-TIPPED
Re: Perception Spellbook Changes
01/12/2016 02:24 AM CST
Thanks everyone who was involved in the reshuffling of the perception spellbook, making PG castable on others and the creation of Machinist's Touch.
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Initially I thought I'd pick up MT, play with it a bit and forget it, but it's a good augmentation trainer and I've been using the +locksmithing and casting the +engineering on rangers building up inventory for workorders.
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