>Because the posts he's responding to seem to have been deleted, and I'm only going off some quotes

Oh were they now? For what it's worth I quoted all the ones re: science in full.

And yeah, chemist here, not a physicist. So most of what I do know of the topic is approached from a different direction, so a lot of that was from P100 and P200 (Thank you Dave Griffiths! Sorry I didn't pay more attention in class...). Never actually worked on anything fusion related... they're a bit more rare at college than fission reactors :)

While we're on the topic... looking for grad programs, anyone know of a good inorganic program? Specifically metallurgy?

-- Mozzik, the Fateweaver

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Caelumia says, "I love the tools even more."

This is true. Resolution of the ultraviolet catastrophe wasn't a small deal.

That said, yes, more or less I'm looking for a mat sci program. But not all mat sci programs are by any means equal.

For example one program I'm looking at for mat sci is http://internship.uoregon.edu/

Note however the four paths that has are semiconductors (Which around here should read as "Sell your soul to Intel. Maybe get a decent wage for it"), Optical materials, Polymers and coatings, and organometallics.

The program sounded a lot more appealing until I looked at that, and noticed that significant lack of metals in any of those programs, though I still intend to look into it (It's appealing for a number of other reasons and maybe some of the other paths are more flexible).

I might just roll with http://ne.oregonstate.edu/prospective/graduate_student_index.html

Though that would involve becoming a Beaver and I've always been a Ducks fan, along with most of my friends and family. I'd be an outcast :(

However I by no means actually expect to pick my grad program based off the DR forums heh.

-- Mozzik, the Fateweaver

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Caelumia says, "I love the tools even more."

"Go to UCSB and sacrifice a couple us world news rankings to enjoy yourself."

Stop reading my mind. I'm applying to UCSB for bio this coming year. UCSD, Scripps... The SoCal area, principally for the proximity to ocean.

Player of Mozz, we should talk.

They do indeed.

-- Mozzik, the Fateweaver

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Caelumia says, "I love the tools even more."

I've considered picking up blacksmithing as a hobby.

However to say that the chemical world has passed on metals is not a very true statement. To say the chemical academic world has... is perhaps more true.

There's still a vast number of alloys that haven't been characterized, and all sorts of applications for metals. Super conductors, semi conductors, memory metals and countless other unique properties, aside from it still being the backbone of a great deal of construction with ever increasing challenges as we increase the scale of the things we build, and the tolerances we require.

That said, yes, a lot of the inorganic industry is going in the directions mentioned, but as inorganics as a whole were for a long time pushed to the wayside in favor of organics (part of the reason I like inorganics more I suspect).

Ah well... I may just end up going nuclear. There's a lot of important work to be done in that field in the near future, and I'm very pleased to see the Democratic line starting to embrace the idea of nuclear power and recycled fuel and so forth.

-- Mozzik, the Fateweaver

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Caelumia says, "I love the tools even more."

>>I think this is second only to our irrational vitriolic hate of Californians. Well, I guess you can justify that one pretty easily, actually.

Anyone would have vitriolic hatred of California after living near it for awhile.

-Armifer
"...everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms-- to choose one's attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one's own way."
-Viktor Frankl

I'm actually not sure if living in it was worse or better than living near it.

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Rev. Reene

"Enlightenment is like the moon reflected on the water. The moon does not get wet, nor is the water broken. Although its light is wide and great...The whole moon and the entire sky are reflected in one dewdrop on the grass."
- Dogen

When you're in California you are immersed in the Californiality, thus you do not notice it so much. You need to at least get north of Redding before normal Human judgment returns.

-Armifer
"...everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms-- to choose one's attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one's own way."
-Viktor Frankl

This must explain a lot about me.

Lifelong Californian (SF & Bay Area in general) and love it. Never much understood the distaste folks up in Oregon seem to feel toward us though, to be honest.

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"Now won't you tell me if you like what you've just heard?
And if you think the point I'm driving at absurd,
Well there's no need to tell me how or tell me why,
But I need to know the reason not to try."
- John Popper, Onslaught

>Lifelong Californian (SF & Bay Area in general) and love it.

Yay. Sunnyvale for about 15 years, Monterey for 3.

A few months ago I moved out of state and I'm still smiling.

About them Oregonians and Washingtoners, I never did get them much either. I knew a lot of the Redding+ folks that took jaunts up across the border to abuse the whole sales tax thing, so I'd imagine that being the source.

At any rate, I left them and the entire coast behind in my wake, mwahahaha.

Didn't drop any beams... didn't look back...

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I'm just amused that our colleges frequently have more people from Cal then from OR.

-- Mozzik, the Fateweaver

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Caelumia says, "I love the tools even more."

> Realistically, it's more the economic inequality.

I listened to a lot of talk radio over the last three years. There was a continuous feed of commercials about incorporating out of state for tax purposes and asset security.

There were also a lot of people doing the living 50% + 1 day of the year in other nearby states for income purposes.

On the broader state-wide economic front, for as many of the rich Californians that we seemed to have, we also really can't keep our state afloat. I started hearing talk yesterday about the Governator asking for some serious economic assistance.

If I were in Oregon, Nevada, or Arizona right now, I'd be looking for a way to anchor myself down before Sacramento hits critical mass.

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To be fair OR drivers can be annoying too (I know a lot of people from college from all over the country who can't stand our drivers here). You tend to get into a lot of "polite offs" where, sure, they're being nice and yielding, but they also aren't actually following the law and so it's sorta a game of chicken of who will actually decide to go first, and the end result is a lot of uncertainty in how they're actually going to move.

As for sales tax... that's the entire reason Jantzen Beach exists if you ask me, to allow WA residents to get out of sales tax. In return they sell all sorts of illegal fireworks just a few feet over the boarder.

-- Mozzik, the Fateweaver

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Caelumia says, "I love the tools even more."

A Californian, an Oregonian, and a Texan are sitting around the campfire. The Texan pulls out a full bottle of tequila, takes a swig, throws the bottle in the air, and shoots it to smithereens with a six-shooter. The Californian turns to him and asks, "Now why'd you go and do that?" The Texan replies, "Well, where I come from, we have plenty of that."

Not to be outdone, the Californian then takes out a bottle of vintage Napa Valley wine, uncorks it, takes a sip, tosses it in the air, draws his pistol, and shoots the bottle to pieces. The Texan turns to him and asks, "Now why'd you go and do that? That was a very expensive bottle of wine." And the Californian replies, "Well, where I come from, we have plenty of that."

Having seen all this, the Oregonian pulls out a cold bottle of Bridgeport Blue Heron ale, opens it up, sucks the whole bottle down, throws the bottle in the air, draws his gun, shoots the Californian, and catches the bottle. Horror-stricken, the Texan turns to him and shrieks, "Why'd you do that!?" The Oregonian replies, "Where I come from, we got plenty of those... but the bottle's worth a nickel."

-- Mozzik, the Fateweaver

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Caelumia says, "I love the tools even more."

YAY AREAAAA


-Strk

Monterey for a year in a half. There for language school?


-Serc


"Moon Mages have already been given some of the most ridiculously powerful magic in the game, third only to Warrior Mages and Barbarians" -Armifer

A guy from cali and a guy from oregon walk into a bar. The guy from oregon starts totally ripping into CA, telling several jokes not unlike those heard in this thread. After a verbal barrage of well over 45 minutes, the oregon dude says "hey, you guys must have lots of mean jokes about oregon too!" The cali guy says "No, we pretty much forget you guys exist until our rich prep school kids need to go to college and can't get into the good UCs."


-Strk

>Monterey for a year in a half. There for language school?

Arabic.

~ Sage Kougen Aensworth, Star Shaper of the Compact

Ruea says in Ilithic, "At least you're very handsome. That makes the fact that you're always right far easier to live with"

>>T:RFNA IA AOI

I call masked fundamentalist vulgarity. No, wait. It's linguistic elitism. That's acceptable on these boards.

I know way too many Californians (who I happened to grow up with by pure chance) who have taken off like rockets away from the state. I haven't heard much from the ones who stayed.

I'm not entirely convinced they're still "all there", if you know what I mean.


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"Close your eyes -
For your eyes will only tell the truth..
And the truth isn't what you want to see.
In the dark, it is easy to pretend
That the truth is what it ought to be." - Erik Claudin

Pretty much every resident of CA I knew while I lived there (myself included) scrambled in subtle or obvious ways to associate themselves with some other damn place. I did not once meet someone who could be considered a "proud Californian." I'm sure they exist, you just didn't find them very often in LA.

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Rev. Reene

"Enlightenment is like the moon reflected on the water. The moon does not get wet, nor is the water broken. Although its light is wide and great...The whole moon and the entire sky are reflected in one dewdrop on the grass."
- Dogen