Two small tweaks to make things a bit nicer while I work on some of the bigger clunkier projects.
1. Empaths can now learn to manipulate creatures at 50 ranks, rather than 100 ranks.
2. Empaths can now teach each other Empaths empathy without the requirement for a deep link. However, to teach or to listen to an Empathy class, you have to have at least 2/3rds of your Empathy intact.
Melete
Our choicest plans
have fallen through,
our airiest castles
tumbled over,
because of lines
we neatly drew
and later neatly
stumbled over.
DR-MELETE
BLUESUEDESHOES
Re: Small Quality of Life Tweaks
03/20/2013 05:48 AM CDT
>> However, to teach or to listen to an Empathy class, you have to have at least 2/3rds of your Empathy intact.<<
I'm sorry, but I have no idea what this means. Isn't Empathy always "full"? I don't know that I've ever had fractional empathy. Did you mean Concentration?
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"EMPATHS RULE ELANTHIA -- ALL SHALL LOVE US AND DESPAAAAAIR" ~GM Melete
I'm sorry, but I have no idea what this means. Isn't Empathy always "full"? I don't know that I've ever had fractional empathy. Did you mean Concentration?
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"EMPATHS RULE ELANTHIA -- ALL SHALL LOVE US AND DESPAAAAAIR" ~GM Melete
ILLIENA
SHARD
Re: Small Quality of Life Tweaks
03/20/2013 07:47 AM CDT
How about refreshing innocence? Pleeeease?
ENOTS
Re: Small Quality of Life Tweaks
03/20/2013 02:33 PM CDT
Empathic shock has undergone a very interesting change recently. Now there are degrees of shock, rather than on or off.
Thanks for the tweaks!
Player of...
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Thanks for the tweaks!
Player of...
Sometimes the key to happiness is not assuming it is locked in the first place- Ziggy
A journey of a thousand SMILES begins with a single step- Ziggy
GAMMERGIRL151
Re: Small Quality of Life Tweaks
03/20/2013 03:45 PM CDT
I'm enjoying punching and clawing people in the face for the first time in years.
Also, YES MASSIVE EMPATHY CLASSES! Woooohoooooooooooo
You've reached the uninformative help match I haven't written yet.
http://i.imgur.com/fBq8R.jpg
Also, YES MASSIVE EMPATHY CLASSES! Woooohoooooooooooo
You've reached the uninformative help match I haven't written yet.
http://i.imgur.com/fBq8R.jpg
GAMMERGIRL151
Re: Small Quality of Life Tweaks
03/20/2013 04:58 PM CDT
Noticing that you now "project empathy" or whatever you want to call it when go to teach a student, which is cool. Slight grammar issue with it though. Student was male, haven't tested with a female.
You close your eyes, drawing all your thoughts inward, and then slowly reach out to STUDENT's life essence, attempting to instruct his in the arts of Empathy.
You've reached the uninformative help match I haven't written yet.
http://i.imgur.com/fBq8R.jpg
You close your eyes, drawing all your thoughts inward, and then slowly reach out to STUDENT's life essence, attempting to instruct his in the arts of Empathy.
You've reached the uninformative help match I haven't written yet.
http://i.imgur.com/fBq8R.jpg
DR-MELETE
Re: Small Quality of Life Tweaks
03/21/2013 05:02 AM CDT
>>attempting to instruct his in the arts of Empathy.
Should be fixed now!
Melete
Our choicest plans
have fallen through,
our airiest castles
tumbled over,
because of lines
we neatly drew
and later neatly
stumbled over.
Should be fixed now!
Melete
Our choicest plans
have fallen through,
our airiest castles
tumbled over,
because of lines
we neatly drew
and later neatly
stumbled over.
MAGE-WARRIOR
Re: Small Quality of Life Tweaks
03/21/2013 10:47 AM CDT
Does Manipulate have the wide teaching range at the new lower skills? I was lucky enough to learn it yesterday at 48 ranks (linked with my teacher to get 50+), and could not get Empathy moving in goblins/large musk hogs. I then went to cougars and was able to learn a trickle of exp. Started at 18/34 and after 45 minutes left with 19/34. Not great but it was constant. Today when I tried again at 50 Empathy I couldn't get off clear on cougars and moved up to rock trolls. Learning well there. If these numbers are in line with what you want then good, but if the teaching range of Empathy is to low, I thought I would point it out.
P.S. Thanks you so much for this change!! It's so great to have another way to learn Empathy!!!
P.S. Thanks you so much for this change!! It's so great to have another way to learn Empathy!!!
JHALIASCLERIC
Re: Small Quality of Life Tweaks
03/21/2013 12:59 PM CDT
I think the range is pretty big, but it might be poorly set for lower level critters?
As is, my Empath has 210 Empathy, and if I go into vipers and serpents, and manipulate two vipers, Empathy will trickle up over time, slowly. I've never gotten it above 5/34 doing this.
As is, my Empath has 210 Empathy, and if I go into vipers and serpents, and manipulate two vipers, Empathy will trickle up over time, slowly. I've never gotten it above 5/34 doing this.
BLUESUEDESHOES
Re: Small Quality of Life Tweaks
03/21/2013 06:04 PM CDT
136 ranks of Empathy. Just showed up in sand sprites and can't move it at all. I'm hoping I can move it when I get to silver leucros.
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GAMMERGIRL151
Re: Small Quality of Life Tweaks
03/21/2013 07:26 PM CDT
For those who can't get empathy moving via manip on a creature - we have a place on the Elanthipedia creature templates for the manipulation caps now (thanks to Caraamon). Please feel free to add where you are at when a creature has stopped teaching you so we can figure out what the "manipulation ladder" looks like.
Easiest way to do this if you are not wiki savy: If you are logged in and looking at the creature in question's page, click on "edit with form" at the top. If you scroll down, there's a Manipulation section. Make sure it's set to "yes" for manipulable and you should be able to just input in the box what rank it has stopped teaching at for Teaching Cap.
You've reached the uninformative help match I haven't written yet.
http://i.imgur.com/fBq8R.jpg
Easiest way to do this if you are not wiki savy: If you are logged in and looking at the creature in question's page, click on "edit with form" at the top. If you scroll down, there's a Manipulation section. Make sure it's set to "yes" for manipulable and you should be able to just input in the box what rank it has stopped teaching at for Teaching Cap.
You've reached the uninformative help match I haven't written yet.
http://i.imgur.com/fBq8R.jpg
DR-MELETE
Re: Small Quality of Life Tweaks
03/21/2013 07:29 PM CDT
Yeah, all these numbers are in line with what I'd expect.
If you can easily mind lock tactics at similar skill levels in those creatures, there might be a case for tweaking the low range Empathy learning up a bit, but every example so far the Empath's empathy skill is double or more than double the creature's defensive ability.
However long ago, I tried to balance it so that you could mind lock it in about 20 minutes at level. At level for 50 ranks is sand sprites, 100 ranks is vipers, 210 ranks baby forest gryphons.
If you can manage to hunt above your empathy, you can mind lock even faster, but I know that's not a situation many Empaths end up in.
Melete
Our choicest plans
have fallen through,
our airiest castles
tumbled over,
because of lines
we neatly drew
and later neatly
stumbled over.
If you can easily mind lock tactics at similar skill levels in those creatures, there might be a case for tweaking the low range Empathy learning up a bit, but every example so far the Empath's empathy skill is double or more than double the creature's defensive ability.
However long ago, I tried to balance it so that you could mind lock it in about 20 minutes at level. At level for 50 ranks is sand sprites, 100 ranks is vipers, 210 ranks baby forest gryphons.
If you can manage to hunt above your empathy, you can mind lock even faster, but I know that's not a situation many Empaths end up in.
Melete
Our choicest plans
have fallen through,
our airiest castles
tumbled over,
because of lines
we neatly drew
and later neatly
stumbled over.
KHELEK00
Re: Small Quality of Life Tweaks
03/21/2013 09:10 PM CDT
Just for another reference point, I've never locked it but can get up to about 15-19 in baby/fledgling gryphons at 277 by the time I lock defenses. That would seem about right if 210 is 'at level' for them.
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LUCKYSEVENS
Re: Small Quality of Life Tweaks
03/21/2013 11:44 PM CDT
>>136 ranks of Empathy.
Not sure how generous the caps are for manipulate, but sprites cap out around 80-90 now. Silver leucros might be capped out for you, as well.
Razortusk boars and sows (just outside leucros) would work, as would swains, once your defenses are up to snuff.
GENT
Not sure how generous the caps are for manipulate, but sprites cap out around 80-90 now. Silver leucros might be capped out for you, as well.
Razortusk boars and sows (just outside leucros) would work, as would swains, once your defenses are up to snuff.
GENT
BLUESUEDESHOES
Re: Small Quality of Life Tweaks
03/22/2013 05:32 AM CDT
Thanks Gent, almost ready for silver leucros, and swains won't be much after that.
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"EMPATHS RULE ELANTHIA -- ALL SHALL LOVE US AND DESPAAAAAIR" ~GM Melete
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"EMPATHS RULE ELANTHIA -- ALL SHALL LOVE US AND DESPAAAAAIR" ~GM Melete