Hello!

I have opened the late Empath guildfest shop in Willow Walk. It is open to all guilds, and sells herb pouches/containers that stack herbs, similar to the cabinet available in the Empaths' Guild infirmary.

Some fun facts:

* This mechanic was originally created by GM Yucca, who is no longer on staff. She was also the one who made the stacking herb cabinet, and these containers use very similar mechanics.

* The pouches stack herbs by combining them, which averages all of their attributes. That's just something to keep in mind while using them.

* They also may hold slightly less than a normal pouch, which is intended for the time being. There are some instances when a normal container will actually hold more than it is technically supposed to; this shouldn't happen with these containers. The discrepancy should not be more than 20 percent or so though, so if you notice a really big difference, please let me know!

I hope you like it! Please let me know if you notice anything odd.

Melete

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The naphtha soaking a pure white alfar avenger bursts into flame with an explosive WHOOOMPH!

>>DR-Melete: They also may hold slightly less than a normal pouch, which is intended for the time being. There are some instances when a normal container will actually hold more than it is technically supposed to; this shouldn't happen with these containers. The discrepancy should not be more than 20 percent or so though, so if you notice a really big difference, please let me know!

Although the old and new herb pouches are the same dimensions (2x2x2 150 stones), the new herb pouches hold much less. (In my case, the old herb pouch holds almost three times the weight that the new herb pouch holds.) Does this discrepancy have something to do with the way herbs can be COMBINED?

old herb pouch:
You tap a small herb pouch embroidered with the crest of Sraan Mhhg that you are wearing.
You are certain that the herb pouch weighs exactly 442 stones.

You rummage through a small herb pouch embroidered with the crest of Sraan Mhhg and see some aloe balm, some lujeakave elixir, a jadice flower, a jadice flower, a jadice flower, a jadice flower, a jadice flower, a jadice flower, a jadice flower, some hulnik grass, some hulnik grass, some nilos grass, some nilos grass, some georin grass, some georin grass, some georin grass, some hulnik grass, some georin grass, a plovik leaf, a plovik leaf, a plovik leaf, a plovik leaf, a plovik leaf, a plovik leaf, a plovik leaf, a riolur leaf, some ithor potion, some eghmok potion, some eghmok potion, some eghmok potion, an ithor potion, a vial of ithor potion, a vial of ithor potion, a vial of ithor potion, a vial of ithor potion, some ithor potion, some eghmok potion, some dried cebi pulp, a cebi root, a yelith root, a nemoih root, a cebi root, a cebi root, a cebi root, some hisan salve, some hisan salve, some hisan salve, some hisan salve, some hisan salve, some hisan salve, some hisan salve, some hisan salve, some sufil sap, some muljin sap, a flask of aevaes solution, some aevaes solution, a nuloe stem, a junliar stem, a junliar stem and a junliar stem.

New herb pouch:

I attempted to put one of each herb type in this pouch. I was finally able to do so after BREAKing the herbs into smaller parts.

You tap a sanguine leather herb pouch branded with a jagged spiral motif that you are wearing.
You are certain that the herb pouch weighs exactly 160 stones.

You rummage through a sanguine leather herb pouch branded with a jagged spiral motif and see some vials of ithor potion, a pot of hisan salve, a packet of cebi roots, a packet of riolur leaves, a yelith root, a pot of sufil sap, a plovik leaf, a packet of nuloe stems, some nilos grass, a packet of nemoih roots, some muljin sap, some lujeakave elixir, a junliar stem, a jadice flower, some hulnik grass, some georin grass, some eghmok potion, some aloe balm and some aevaes solution.

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"PHA = Healer Union. They charge for healing based on your injuries. We will now pause while everyone gives their opinion on this." -- Teilan

>>Sarkranis

That's really interesting. Somehow, the Sraan herb pouch is holding almost 2 times more than it should. Not really sure what to make of that. I saw some stuff deep in the depths of the PUT code that would account for them holding a bit more than they should, but not that much more.

How are you filling the Sraan pouch?

Melete

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The naphtha soaking a pure white alfar avenger bursts into flame with an explosive WHOOOMPH!

Love the mechanics behind these!

Any way we can get something that is generally worn with those measurements that isn't an apron?

i'm hoping a feature, as all my s'kra love their mhhg pouchs!
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Oh and last one, DR at any given time has a population of weenies that will criticize at the drop of a hat, don't take things personally it happens to everyone.
Leucius

>>DR-Melete: That's really interesting. Somehow, the Sraan herb pouch is holding almost 2 times more than it should. Not really sure what to make of that. I saw some stuff deep in the depths of the PUT code that would account for them holding a bit more than they should, but not that much more.

It's not just the Sraan Mhhg herb pouch. My Paladin's midnight-blue drawstring herb pouch embroidered with a golden star currently weighs 436 stones.

>>DR-Melete: How are you filling the Sraan pouch?

PUT [HERB] IN MY HERB POUCH

>>DR-Melete: Alright, have updated the herb stackers to match the containers in the rest of the game. Ones that have already been sold will have this change automatically.

Thanks! I'll take a look at them tonight. Were just the herb pouches changed, or other containers as well? (I want to update Elanthipedia.)

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"PHA = Healer Union. They charge for healing based on your injuries. We will now pause while everyone gives their opinion on this." -- Teilan

All hail Melete!

I can now fit my way-too-many-herbs in the new pouch.

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You've reached the uninformative help match I haven't written yet.

>>Since they're now wildly inaccurate due to said bug, I don't suppose the MEASURE command could be updated to reflect the realities?

What's this reality you speak of?? I think the Measure verb is more of a crafting thing, I can pass the request along though.

Melete

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The naphtha soaking a pure white alfar avenger bursts into flame with an explosive WHOOOMPH!

Yeah, the bug is an existing bug. It affects every container in the game. It has been that way for who knows how long. The reason it came to light was because of these pouches.

It's not a bug that I introduced, it's a bug that I found because of these stacker things. I passed your request up the chain so we'll see if measure gets updated. The bug is not really mine to deal with, what happens with it will be decided way way over my head.

What I have done (with permission, for now) is introduce the same bug to my code to match the bug that exists in every other container's code. That way at least everything is consistent.

From what I can see this bug has probably been around for years, at least two years and probably longer.

Melete

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The naphtha soaking a pure white alfar avenger bursts into flame with an explosive WHOOOMPH!

Hey all, someone reported a problem using STOW with these earlier. That should be fixed now (thanks to GM Raesh for the quick QC!). If you guys notice anything weird again, let me know. Many thanks also to the folks who have been on top of bug reporting. :]

Melete

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The naphtha soaking a pure white alfar avenger bursts into flame with an explosive WHOOOMPH!

I'm curious, were the herb cases supposed to be smaller than the herb pouches? I bought both and could only put about half my herbs into the case (that is too heavy to go in there!), while all of them fit into the pouch. Is this because of the change you made to make the pouches bigger? I just thought that a case would hold more than a pouch.

Either way, I love the stacking feature of these, saves me time combining so thank you!

seems strange though. For something that is MORE expensive to hold LESS. :-)




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Oh and last one, DR at any given time has a population of weenies that will criticize at the drop of a hat, don't take things personally it happens to everyone.
Leucius

>>seems strange though. For something that is MORE expensive to hold LESS. :-)

Well sure, a nice hand-made jewelry box is more expensive than a backback from Target, but which holds more stuff?

>>Powerhaus: case was 3x3x3 and 90 stones, and the pouch was 2x2x2 and 150 stones I think.

Herbal case: 6 length x 3 width x 3 height x 60 weight
Foraging apron: 3 length x 3 width x 3 height x 200 weight
Herb pouch: 2 length x 2 width x 2 height x 150 weight

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"PHA = Healer Union. They charge for healing based on your injuries. We will now pause while everyone gives their opinion on this." -- Teilan

>> is that averaging quality, app

Quality, I suppose you would say. All of its alchemical attributes will be averaged. So if you have a fabulously awesome six-part cebi root foraged by Kalika herself and that was smiled upon by Kuniyo, and a crappy six-part cebi root that wasn't so much foraged as tripped over by a drunken halfling on the way to a water polo match... if you put them both in your herb stacker they will combine to form a 12-part cebi root that is more or less totally unexceptional.

Melete

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The naphtha soaking a pure white alfar avenger bursts into flame with an explosive WHOOOMPH!

>>was a little hurt on behalf of the Olvi everywhere

^that is funny.

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The Shard Sentinel nods to Alexii and says, "Yes, you may pass."
Alexii says, "Sucker!"

Yep, sorry I meant to post something about this. Shop is closed (in both prime and plat) but it should be back for future guildfests. :]

Melete

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