I've tried to take a few of these on, and I have some results.

1. Guardian Spirit can kill them. I used an 11 mana cast with ~275 TM. TM never progressed passed dabbling.

2. Spells don't work. Paralysis. Lethargy. Even a few WM debilitators. Messaging:

3. Absolution works. I can hit them with 130 or so short edge + absolution. Perceive health shows: Malicious presences screeching in the far dark corners of your mind cause you to quickly open your eyes!

4. Manipulate was more or less pointless. It trains, which is nice, but the manipulated starcrashers don't seem to be attacking each other even if I have no warrior out.

5. They were using a form of invisibility. l

6. I had no problem dancing with a full room. ~260 defenses, 50 reflex.

<< Absolution works.>>

That seems like it's either a bug or a really strange design choice. These creatures seem to fall squarely in the "alive" category. And in fact, they PERCEIVEd that way at first (haven't seen any in a while, so I guess they could've been changed).

Thanks,
-Life Weaver Karthor

That's a shame, but I understand. You might also want to check power perceive. They give the same message as undead when perceiving health, but not when perceiving them directly.