Grats!

-Desperado Clemency Apollonia, Journeyman Empath of Elanthia

>prod raccoon
It might be a bit safer if a young raccoon was dead first.

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>When does an empath start perceiving people in the same room at levels that teach empathy?

perceiving others -
empaths: (first time I tried @)
25 combined PP and empathy (2 and 23)
Notes: Had to spam it, but eventually, it'd take.

NPCs:
130 combined PP and empathy (67 and 63)
Notes: Got NPC's and other non-empath players some of the time.

Hope that helps you out a little. As the notes say - I had to spam perc health a little bit, but eventually, I'd get a lucky roll in the beginning there. Wasn't too long after that that other empaths came more consistently.

~Chris

>>When does an empath start perceiving people in the same room at levels that teach empathy?

Starting at 20 ranks of Empathy and 20 ranks of PP (plus modifications per wounds and stats, possibly some other stuff, plus transient bonuses from predictions, CJs, and so forth), but hopefully that's not a hard minimum and could theoretically be, say, 10 ranks of Empathy and 30-40 ranks PP. Regardless of when it starts to teach, however, it's going to stay at learning for a very long while so it's not really viable in the face of other methods (ie, healing, classes).

The order of categories goes like this:

Empath PCs
Non-empath PCs
NPCs
Details (disease, poison, dying state/extreme low vit, etc)

Within most categories is at least one subcategory which isn't initially available but is mastered before the arrival of the next broad category:

Empath PCs
hidden Empath PCs
Non-empath PCs
hidden Non-empath PCs
NPCs
hidden NPCs
Details (disease, poison, dying state/extreme low vit, etc)

Rank breakdown is on what appears to be 25-rank blocks of averaged skills between Empathy and PP where both skills are at least equal to each other (see above thoughts that this specific instance of equal ranks might not be the actual requirement but it definitely holds true all the way up to 125 average).

25 average -- empaths
50 average -- non-empaths
75 average -- npcs
100 average -- details
125 average -- one room away, empaths <--Symphaena Prime is in this category
150 average -- one room away, non-empaths (presumed)
175 average -- one room away, npcs (presumed)
200 average -- one room away, details (presumed)

J'Lo, I'm a ranger.. I'd believe anything.....
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Interesting data Lofton. Next time you have Symph in Plat and I have Asbhuan in let's check a few things. He's way out of whack between Empathy and PP because of his hunting.

D

Well, outside of continued testing to nail down what sort of weighting might be at play, I can confirm that PH operates on a raw average of the skills and not some kind of double-minimum system. 12 empathy and 38 PP before I could pull it off, though another initiate was able to do it with a 21 average.

J'Lo, I'm a ranger.. I'd believe anything.....
The Manipulation List -- http://symphaena.com/index.html

>>Well, based on what I recall about previous testing in this area, I'd want to see a bunch more data points before confirming that.

Ok, I can get that going. What kind of test do you envision, and what sort of data do you think needs to be included?

ATM, I have a test (zmud script) going that tracks the results of a PERC HEALTH performed every 10 seconds, and dumps each result into a text file. Each line will look something like this:

9PP4E, 11/4/2007 8:45:34 PM, none

First part is ranks in PP and Empathy. Second part is the date and time of the attempt in CST/CDT as appropriate. Third part is all the various type categories that are found in that attempt. Because of the danger involved, this does not include hidden NPCs so all occurrances of "An unidentifiable presence." are hidden non-empath PCs.

Wound-free and stats will remain unchanged.

We can compare stats and maybe set up controls for that if others want to join in, but aside from this any suggestions or thoughts?

J'Lo, I'm a ranger.. I'd believe anything.....
The Manipulation List -- http://symphaena.com/index.html