>Post your questions comments and concerns about Transference here.

I'm concerned that transference is really obnoxious and hard to learn.

How about that?

<grin>

Ythik

>all in favor say 'aye'

'aye' to that!

Heck, even just removing the TF requirements and raise the general lore higher...

Oh, the sweet, sweet pipe dreams we harbor...

Kythryn

Aye

-Reigndancer

>I think trading can't be taught..

Wrong.

>And this doesn't even go into how fast my mind locks on primary magic and harness. It's rather disappointing to have this game turning out this way, but I think it shows how trans is really not doing it's intended purpose anymore.

Master Jakdon <

I've noticed my mind locking on PM and HA. It's not funny!

I think the master plan might've been a 'do-only' skill for all guilds, which would've taken the fun out of DR for everyone....isn't it great to be the guinea pig? There aren't very many guilds that're required to have MO (multi), which is the only other do-only skill I can think of...I think just Paladins, but I'm not sure if it's required beyond a certain circle.

Transference has been a sore point (umm...no pun intended) since it came in. I've seen it create hard feelings between empaths. I sometimes have to leave healing rooms because there are greedy empaths stealing all of the transference. There might be a good reason for it (that last 1/2% or something), but I missed the announcement.

Let's hope the magic re-write helps with unlocking the skills we need to use to gain the skill we need to circle! I want to be in the field with a hunting party - keeping them alive and gaining skills & loot...not having to sit around an infirmary and take turns sharing patients. It's more fun being a battle-field medic with a group of people - or even my husband! Usually people don't hunt so far over their heads that they require an empath to stand by - so there are lots of hours that there's barely any transference. Why make titles for real combat empaths that can't circle?

Acy

Oh yea! I remember that...decaying skills. What a sadistic thing it was... boy, that alone is proof that "they" like to mess with empaths. They keep us around as their little play things. Yes. We knew it all along.
>>>I'm torn about transference. I was certainly po'd when they made it a decaying skill. I could see where they'd eventually come up with a 'do-only' to other guilds....just couldn't (in my mind) come up with a do-only that would fit the other guilds. The rest of Elanthia balked on the decay thing, and we basically boycotted, and they changed it.<<<

I was crazy enough to be happy to have transference when it first came out, not being far-seeing enough to realize (but I soon found out with my own eyes) how people would not respect empaths the way they once did. I hated teaching and still hate teaching. In fact, it was with the advent of transference that I made my way up to the highest (on scroll, although I know there was one or two higher) circled Empath (as I'm far from highest circle now, it's okay for me to mention that then). Because, I always liked healing better than teaching.

What I hate about transference is not the skill but the way it makes empaths utterly dependant on PCs...which makes too many PCs treat it like we are doing them a favor--I just ignore them and don't heal the ones who say, "I have some wounds for you" or "You can heal me if you want"....if all of us boycotted those bozos, maybe it would change.

So, who is for a boycott? Shall we spread the word? Do you have it in your hearts to do it? Or are you transference slaves?

~A, who is a little loony from lack of sleep, also...stirring the pot before leaving the kitchen :::cackles::

I was here to read it! Your point about it not being teachable is worthy point... I also remember those teach only empaths.

Hmm...two things that don't make sense (and I'll have to borrow a friend's account to read the response, so I will...but I'll be on vacation for two weeks..then I'll borrow and read)...

One: the one who overhealed--wouldn't you lose all your skill pools if you departed? I don't see the sense killing yourself for the sake of getting a skill... so this empath you mention wasn't thinking strait.

Two: what is the way around this thing with people treating us like they're doing us a favor if we heal them (which is what I meant to say in the quote of mine you refered to...but I got it all mixed up... you knew what I meant, though, right?? <g>) if they know we need transference? I still say, don't heal 'em.

Easy for me to say, now that I'm not playing... but someday i want to return, that's why I'm being so pushy (and I know I'm probably annoying people with this...but then again, they are probably ignoring my posts anyhow).

Well, this really is my last post...at least for a while...and definitely from this account.

Thanks again, Acy.

~A

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Amo, I know you're not here to see this response, but I thank you for responding. I re-read it and knew it was something I'd expressed before, and kinda useless saying again....tis why Shaunn, Ythik nor Maddie had a word to say - why bother. But I'll say, and unfortunately, you'll not be able to read.

>>Oh yea! I remember that...decaying skills. What a sadistic thing it was... boy, that alone is proof that "they" like to mess with empaths. They keep us around as their little play things.

I just recently read a hint about Multi-Opponent? Here's a non-teachable, do-only skill that will impact all guilds (cept Traders, the other non-combat withnopenaltiesiftheyfightguild) that even have a hint of it. Yes, the only thing I might gain in my house calls, would be MO. Soooo, is that important?

>>The rest of Elanthia balked on the decay thing, and we basically boycotted, and they changed it.

I remember sitting in a room Tilry was in. The friend I was with wanted to lick his sword, so I'd have a wound to keep from decaying, just cuz I was trying to cast spells to clean up, to go out again to NOT have my now-needed, new 'required skill' DECAY on me. He made an excellent point, which I think turned the trans thing around. He said, I don't want you to hurt yourself. THAT'S what we were all about, ease of hurt. To have good friends hurt themself, so we had the time to actually heal up, was horrid.

And this remark, I HAVE to address for the total Empath Mentality now-a-days:

>>What I hate about transference is not the skill but the way it makes empaths utterly dependant on PCs...which makes too many PCs treat it like we are doing them a favor--I just ignore them and don't heal the ones who say, "I have some wounds for you" or "You can heal me if you want"....if all of us boycotted those bozos, maybe it would change.

Once upon a day, we used to be the healers, altho they could just go to the hospital, too. Now - it's like they're KNOWING THEY ARE GIVING US TIDBITS OF SOMETHING WE NEED!!!

Oh, here's an excellent question:

>>So, who is for a boycott? Shall we spread the word? Do you have it in your hearts to do it? Or are you transference slaves?

Let me give you a real scenerio....I travel to Crossing, tis my roots, yanno. I met this novice empath, spent time teaching her (I'm maybe 20th by then). Later, she shows up in Shard...very popular, etc. This was afore the Gorbesh War, when she was on the gweth all the time.....

I stumble upon her, at the 'morgue' while she's healing the multiple deaders. She whispers to me, "I'm gonna take all these wounds [basically telling me they're all HER patients], just depart, so I can come back & get more. Don't say anything, just don't be alarmed." She overhealed on purpose, just for transf. Needless to say, she surpassed my circles in such a short time, doing that. It was NOT RIGHT.

This is what transference has gotten us, as Empaths. I'm not happy with our "do-only" skill that's required. I don't think we should teach it, or we'd get that 'guild-sitter-afk' that I mentioned before. I just think if it's a do-only for us, give everybody else a do only, non-teachable skill that's life threatening.

I donno, am I complaining too much?

Acy

>>I'm sorry, that statement about 'being too powerful' makes absolutely no sense to me.

Well, in my opinion, that's the reason given out for PR purposes. I subscribe to "If they can't hunt then they'll be forced to heal the other guilds that do" reason for shock.

Shaunn

> Basically, there would be no way to "keep the empaths down" on the critter level, and hence, with enough training, a combat empath could potentially become a very powerful foe.

And personally, I see nothing wrong with that. Why shouldn't Empaths be allowed to become powerful if they choose to focus on that? Is there some Rule saying that Empaths must be wimpy, no "Fear the Empath" allowed? Combat isn't exactly easy, ya know. Weapon and armor terts and no buffs sure don't help either. And may the heavens forgive us if the Empath guild ever became "cool".

I think there was once some concern about the PvP element. The ability to be able to cast healing spells on ourselves would be an unfair advantage. If that were true, though, then no empath right now would ever lose a challenge - since we can't hit back, we have no loading/slicing roundtime and all the time in the world to cast healing spell after healing spell. And we all know that Empaths are unbeatable in a challenge - Hahahaha!

Outside of PvP, we also know that Empaths never ever die in the field. Our healing abilities, combined with unlimited potential for learning defensive skills, are really unbalancing out there. ROFLMAO.

And in other paper and pencil D&D type games, where the Cleric is the one casting healing spells AND hitting back, we know those folks never ever died. ;>

But all that aside, okay, I accept that in DR, Empaths cannot hunt or fight or cause harm. Fine. I like experiments, and a non-combat guild has some interesting potential. As a previous poster stated, it's very rare to find a game with this sort of "profession". (But maybe there is a reason for that.)

For me, the most frustrating part of playing an Empath in DR is this constant focus on what I can't do, and little or no focusing on something that I can do. Am I so evil to just want something comparable to hunting that is challenging, has income potential and - hullo - increases interest level? Unfortunately, since the inception of the game, no one has come up with anything like that. Sure, I'd prefer a non-combat skill, but after waiting so many years, I'm ready to take the pre-packaged ready-to-go combat system kit - better than nothing, which is all I've been getting.

I've played DR since pre-web days. I've played Baboushka as my primary char for about 4 RL years. I'm still waiting, though lately am wondering why I still bother.

-p/o Baboushka, tired of seeing her $30 a month go only to enhance the playing enjoyment of other guilds

Greetings Baboushka.

>For me, the most frustrating part of playing an Empath in DR is this constant focus on what I can't do, and little or no focusing on something that I can do. Am I so evil to just want something comparable to hunting that is challenging, has income potential and - hullo - increases interest level? Unfortunately, since the inception of the game, no one has come up with anything like that. Sure, I'd prefer a non-combat skill, but after waiting so many years, I'm ready to take the pre-packaged ready-to-go combat system kit - better than nothing, which is all I've been getting.

You too should read my suggestion in the General discussion topic (about us being able to hire hunting hirelings) if you didn't already. This pretty much answers what you're asking for if this was to ever be implemented.

Dorelan

PS: Plus, as stated in my suggestion, one of your post is what made me think about it (your suggestion about an improvement of GS spell).

Because it's not going to happen unless Grasi kills Team Empath in their sleep and replaces them with Oculars under his control.

Hello, Shock's a major part of empath RP and guild history. Deal with it.

Ythik

I forgot my point.. hehe

My point is, let those who want the shock scar removal quest have it and do it and I hope it's grad and they have a fabulous time! I'd be happy for them, totally! But please dont' punish me for not wanting the same thing for my character. That's just wrong.

~Kelly p.o. Severa

>My point is, let those who want the shock scar removal quest have it and do it and I hope it's grad and they have a fabulous time! I'd be happy for them, totally! But please dont' punish me for not wanting the same thing for my character. That's just wrong.

Hmm, here's what I'd do.

Impose penalties on shock scarred empaths.

Have a quest for 'scar removal'.

Upon the completion of the quest allow the empath to choose whether the scar still shows up or not. That way you're not actually scar in a mechanics sense, just in an RP sense.

But that's just what I'd do.

Ythik

So shock scars don't have any effect huh?

I was arrested for blowing a gasser in Riverhaven this past week...

You are taken before a council of Elothean elders, who look down at you with apparent mistrust.

The council look down at you, then turn to the token Empath, who shakes his head and murmurs, "The stain of guilt is heavy on this man's soul. I see no innocence here. It is a burden upon my shoulders, just to gaze upon him. Guilty. Guilty as charged with hooliganism, endangering the public, disturbing the peace."

And, yes, the gasser was from a box trap, not my baked bean eating.

Illcram The Evil Empath

I'm not quite willing to go get arrested to prove this but I'm almost certain that's the same message anyone gets when they're arrested and "tried." It's something of a kangaroo court I'm afraid, everyone's guilty.

Passionata

>We still know so little about what our empathic powers are based on and why they are damaged through attempting to harm others.

I don't remember the details too well, but K'Xonei once told me and Paschein the story of the first empath. It was from a book she was working on, so eventually it'll be published. And I know some other people've heard it too so if anyone has anything to add (or if I'm completely misremembering and making things up) feel free to speak up.

Our healing powers are a gift from Hodierna. Shock's always been a part of them, though the reasons weren't very clear.

Perhaps, somehow, Jomay's managed to make a pact with Hodierna's dark aspect.

Just a thought.

Y

>I'm not quite willing to go get arrested to prove this but I'm almost certain that's the same message anyone gets when they're arrested and "tried." It's something of a kangaroo court I'm afraid, everyone's guilty.

>Passionata

Hmmmm I might have been arrested once.... Yes, that's the same thing that they always say, <cough> Um, I mean that they said that one time really long ago.

Harshon Feathergrass, Smooch Bandit

Is this really relevant?

I am quite certain that there are many Empaths out there who deserve praise for their service and time in saving your lives.

Praise them! It's more fun than making fun of a folder, no?

Soveign

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Actually, my observation was this : Probably the most significant change in how an entire guild felt about itself and it's future occured when the Empath Team made the change from the transference skill to the Empathy skill, and this folder reflects that big time.

So I guess this is very belated praise to the empath team for their wisdom in making this change.