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Couple of questions I've had recently that Schultzs3's post reminded me of ...
<<If you on my 3 good ones, I'd literally die for you. Especially the box giving list, and the friend list.
What tips do empaths prefer the most? I mean a member of the locksmith union probably wouldn't mind receiving a box or two for his services. But as an empath, would you prefer to receive boxes/skins or gems/coin. With a box as a tip, you chance that you could not open it and thus have to carry it around (increasing your burden) until you find someone else to open it. Same with skins, they burden. Or would you just prefer an amount of of gems/coins? In the past I've just gone through the gems/coins route.
<<'Any empaths availiable to heal me?', no tip, and scarcely a word spoken TO me.
What do you mean by "scarcely a word spoken to me?"
I ask because the other day when I went to one of the many areas of congregation and asked a general question like "Are there any free empaths available here?" When I didn't receive an answer, I left and gwethed. The reply gweth told me to go back to where I had just asked. When I got back, I was told that generally that particular empath didn't respond unless thay were talked to directly. Now I try not to assume professions by title (feels OOC to me). How does one look like an empath, cleric, thief anyway?
Or are you reffering to a lack of conversation during the healing process? Like the character just kinda drifting off into space.
As a final note, I try and tip as much as I can, given a certain situation. Some of my characters are richer that others. Some may be 40th circle, but they are still just plain broke. Others will only give plats tips. I blame it on laziness for transfering between siblings.
Pheer among a few others
JANICK
WYTERAVYN69
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/18/2005 11:15 AM CST
>>Hahahah! Damn you!! Now how do you get coffee out of a keyboard? :-D
It's easy, take the keys off the keyboard (should only take you about 30 minutes unless it's a new keyboard or you have pereviously spilt something in it) and then let everything air dry and try to remember where all the keys go. (might be a good idea to have an old keyboard handy for reference) :-P
I don't see how herbs can heal someone faster than an empath can...it will take you maybe 2 or 3 minutes to get in the guild, maybe another minutes for an empath to get to you and then if it's an older empath less than 30 seconds to heal you up. Unless you are severely beat up and the empath already has a bunch of owies. I'll look at the person and if they have bad chest, abdomen, back, head, or neck owies then I heal those up real quick and go to town! (That's how ya don't overheal! Who cares if you lose an arm or a leg. You can live without those)
I'll accept the little tips, little tips add up! Besides, eventually I'll luck out enough to heal someone who tips me enough to make up for it. Though I do agree on the whole high level people tipping us with little itty bitty gems. That is annoying... I like the weird unique little gems for my collection. I was on a resue mission in reavers and Sok killed on and it had a lump of sickly green malachite. I asked if I could have it, he said sure and when the mission was over he's like, "why did you want the gem?" Gave him a chuckle with my sheepish reply about my gem collection. LOL.
~Sindea
It's easy, take the keys off the keyboard (should only take you about 30 minutes unless it's a new keyboard or you have pereviously spilt something in it) and then let everything air dry and try to remember where all the keys go. (might be a good idea to have an old keyboard handy for reference) :-P
I don't see how herbs can heal someone faster than an empath can...it will take you maybe 2 or 3 minutes to get in the guild, maybe another minutes for an empath to get to you and then if it's an older empath less than 30 seconds to heal you up. Unless you are severely beat up and the empath already has a bunch of owies. I'll look at the person and if they have bad chest, abdomen, back, head, or neck owies then I heal those up real quick and go to town! (That's how ya don't overheal! Who cares if you lose an arm or a leg. You can live without those)
I'll accept the little tips, little tips add up! Besides, eventually I'll luck out enough to heal someone who tips me enough to make up for it. Though I do agree on the whole high level people tipping us with little itty bitty gems. That is annoying... I like the weird unique little gems for my collection. I was on a resue mission in reavers and Sok killed on and it had a lump of sickly green malachite. I asked if I could have it, he said sure and when the mission was over he's like, "why did you want the gem?" Gave him a chuckle with my sheepish reply about my gem collection. LOL.
~Sindea
ASTARINEL
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/18/2005 11:27 AM CST
<<What tips do empaths prefer the most?>>
In this case, if you have all sorts of things on you, just ASK. There are Empaths who love boxes and Empaths who couldn't open a goblin box, and Empaths who enjoy the EXP from skin scraping and Empaths who are totally grossed out by animal skins, and Empaths who prefer shiny sparkly gems to coin, since they're easier to keep from getting stolen. Cebi roots and hisan salve are pretty much appreciated by all Empaths -- if you can steal scar herbs, you've got it MADE. :)
Anyway, asking is safest, because I think if you polled 10 Empaths about their preferred tips, you'd get 10 different answers. You ARE right about the universal goodness of coins and gems, though. Usually only Empaths who don't accept tips, period, won't take those.
<<I ask because the other day when I went to one of the many areas of congregation and asked a general question like "Are there any free empaths available here?">>
Some Empaths have been burned by people who abuse room-wide asking before, I think. I've run into a few who must have had a script going that periodically asked the room for healing, because they'd ask, I would heal, then they'd say absolutely nothing until perhaps 10 minutes later, when they'd say, "oh, who healed me?"
There are, though, some Empaths with personal quirks (Syrath's famous demands that people say "please", and so on.), and usually they're not major and they'll cheerfully heal you if you ask nicely/say please/whisper your request.
I tend to think wearing a title is saying, "this is how my character, an adventurer, would be known." Have you played Fable? When your character runs around, the commonfolk call you by your title, and I think that's how DR titles are intended. So, if an Empath is wearing Empath, assume she's an Empath, at the very least.
<<As a final note, I try and tip as much as I can, given a certain situation.>>
This is all Empaths are asking, believe me. The average tip is usually one low-quality gem (small clear topaz, much?), and many mid- and high-level hunters get dozens and dozens of those, not to mention skins and boxes, while hunting.
If you're giving a noticeable portion of your earnings, that's great!
If you can pull, say, 5 gold an hour hunting, a gold (or equivalent in skins/gems) tip is a nice thing if you're pretty banged up after a couple of hours.
If all you're getting is a few ragged goblin skins and some copper and small gems, then that small gem IS okay to tip. Many Empaths will REFUSE tips from newbies, because we know it's hard to start up.
~Laril
In this case, if you have all sorts of things on you, just ASK. There are Empaths who love boxes and Empaths who couldn't open a goblin box, and Empaths who enjoy the EXP from skin scraping and Empaths who are totally grossed out by animal skins, and Empaths who prefer shiny sparkly gems to coin, since they're easier to keep from getting stolen. Cebi roots and hisan salve are pretty much appreciated by all Empaths -- if you can steal scar herbs, you've got it MADE. :)
Anyway, asking is safest, because I think if you polled 10 Empaths about their preferred tips, you'd get 10 different answers. You ARE right about the universal goodness of coins and gems, though. Usually only Empaths who don't accept tips, period, won't take those.
<<I ask because the other day when I went to one of the many areas of congregation and asked a general question like "Are there any free empaths available here?">>
Some Empaths have been burned by people who abuse room-wide asking before, I think. I've run into a few who must have had a script going that periodically asked the room for healing, because they'd ask, I would heal, then they'd say absolutely nothing until perhaps 10 minutes later, when they'd say, "oh, who healed me?"
There are, though, some Empaths with personal quirks (Syrath's famous demands that people say "please", and so on.), and usually they're not major and they'll cheerfully heal you if you ask nicely/say please/whisper your request.
I tend to think wearing a title is saying, "this is how my character, an adventurer, would be known." Have you played Fable? When your character runs around, the commonfolk call you by your title, and I think that's how DR titles are intended. So, if an Empath is wearing Empath, assume she's an Empath, at the very least.
<<As a final note, I try and tip as much as I can, given a certain situation.>>
This is all Empaths are asking, believe me. The average tip is usually one low-quality gem (small clear topaz, much?), and many mid- and high-level hunters get dozens and dozens of those, not to mention skins and boxes, while hunting.
If you're giving a noticeable portion of your earnings, that's great!
If you can pull, say, 5 gold an hour hunting, a gold (or equivalent in skins/gems) tip is a nice thing if you're pretty banged up after a couple of hours.
If all you're getting is a few ragged goblin skins and some copper and small gems, then that small gem IS okay to tip. Many Empaths will REFUSE tips from newbies, because we know it's hard to start up.
~Laril
SAKHARA
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/18/2005 11:45 AM CST
>With a box as a tip, you chance that you could not open it and thus have to carry it around
Actually, no, a lot of us love popping boxes. It's something to do, but they're hard for us to get. For 3-4 hours in sprites, I might get 3-4 boxes, if that, through manipulation and whatnot. I'm pretty lazy, but about the best the empath's gonna do still isn't anything like what a hunter can grab. My paladin can grab a bag full of boxes in under half an hour, half asleep, in the pit.
Ask and see. Especially if it's underhunting, go grab a bag full and just dump 'em out at the empath's feet.
Another thing that's really classy but very, very few people do it is pick the box and hand it to the empath like that. Don't look. Especially with really tough boxes, this is a sweet goodie, because then we have the same chance of getting the goodies you do, espcially things like scrolls or other specialty loot. Even if it's a lousy box, giving us the pick is a treat.
>Same with skins, they burden.
Not even close. For empaths who skin, they're both skinning and mech through scraping. Also some empaths like to tan. For them a bundle of even perfect non-arrainged peels can be useful.
Generally, the safest I've found on the loot end is the picked but not opened box. Otherwise ask. A lot of times, also, for you urban foragers, scar herbs are almost always welcome. Instead of stealing a jadice flower, which anyone can forage, steal jadice pollen and give it to an empath. No hardship for you and good for us.
>What do you mean by "scarcely a word spoken to me?"
"Did you see that shot?!"
ghostly voice, "Yeah, I'm gonna pwnz you next time!11!!!11one"
"Like you can."
With the empath doing her best to heal hersef and everyone else. Sparrers can be the worst. There is a difference between an auto-empath and a player empath. My paladin almost never goes to a PC empath other than his brother, just because he's often enough an antisocial beast ... oh, and tend to end up blushing and stammering around females. He's a bit shy.
Acknowledge us as people, not a convenience. That's what this means. One of the best tips that I remember, and this was from when Dio was a baby, was a handful of jellybeans, a cup of coffee and enough chatter he had the chance to heal up. Healing up is boring. Stick around and be social for a bit. Have a cup of coffee, ask the empath if she'd like some or some water or something else. Or at least stay away long enough to give us the loot.
>How does one look like an empath, cleric, thief anyway?
Crest rings and other insignia is how my empath does it when he's healing.
>Or are you reffering to a lack of conversation during the healing process?
More when they're talking to everyone else in the vicinity but the empath. Yoo hoo, we're here too. Not even all of us are female. Some of us actually like talking about blood and gore and hunting and sparring and all those fun things.
>Some may be 40th circle, but they are still just plain broke.
For me it's definately a sliding scale, however, if you just came out of scorps with half a dozen major poisons and try to tip me a little diopside, I'm likely to Innocence you right off the cliff. On the flip side, a little baby whatever comes trundling out of rats all scuffed up and tries to give me a bundle of rat pelts, which is all they have, uh, no, honey, come here and listen to papa Dio or uncle Vale teach for a bit. You can join the rest of the kids.
Actually, no, a lot of us love popping boxes. It's something to do, but they're hard for us to get. For 3-4 hours in sprites, I might get 3-4 boxes, if that, through manipulation and whatnot. I'm pretty lazy, but about the best the empath's gonna do still isn't anything like what a hunter can grab. My paladin can grab a bag full of boxes in under half an hour, half asleep, in the pit.
Ask and see. Especially if it's underhunting, go grab a bag full and just dump 'em out at the empath's feet.
Another thing that's really classy but very, very few people do it is pick the box and hand it to the empath like that. Don't look. Especially with really tough boxes, this is a sweet goodie, because then we have the same chance of getting the goodies you do, espcially things like scrolls or other specialty loot. Even if it's a lousy box, giving us the pick is a treat.
>Same with skins, they burden.
Not even close. For empaths who skin, they're both skinning and mech through scraping. Also some empaths like to tan. For them a bundle of even perfect non-arrainged peels can be useful.
Generally, the safest I've found on the loot end is the picked but not opened box. Otherwise ask. A lot of times, also, for you urban foragers, scar herbs are almost always welcome. Instead of stealing a jadice flower, which anyone can forage, steal jadice pollen and give it to an empath. No hardship for you and good for us.
>What do you mean by "scarcely a word spoken to me?"
"Did you see that shot?!"
ghostly voice, "Yeah, I'm gonna pwnz you next time!11!!!11one"
"Like you can."
With the empath doing her best to heal hersef and everyone else. Sparrers can be the worst. There is a difference between an auto-empath and a player empath. My paladin almost never goes to a PC empath other than his brother, just because he's often enough an antisocial beast ... oh, and tend to end up blushing and stammering around females. He's a bit shy.
Acknowledge us as people, not a convenience. That's what this means. One of the best tips that I remember, and this was from when Dio was a baby, was a handful of jellybeans, a cup of coffee and enough chatter he had the chance to heal up. Healing up is boring. Stick around and be social for a bit. Have a cup of coffee, ask the empath if she'd like some or some water or something else. Or at least stay away long enough to give us the loot.
>How does one look like an empath, cleric, thief anyway?
Crest rings and other insignia is how my empath does it when he's healing.
>Or are you reffering to a lack of conversation during the healing process?
More when they're talking to everyone else in the vicinity but the empath. Yoo hoo, we're here too. Not even all of us are female. Some of us actually like talking about blood and gore and hunting and sparring and all those fun things.
>Some may be 40th circle, but they are still just plain broke.
For me it's definately a sliding scale, however, if you just came out of scorps with half a dozen major poisons and try to tip me a little diopside, I'm likely to Innocence you right off the cliff. On the flip side, a little baby whatever comes trundling out of rats all scuffed up and tries to give me a bundle of rat pelts, which is all they have, uh, no, honey, come here and listen to papa Dio or uncle Vale teach for a bit. You can join the rest of the kids.
SAKHARA
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/18/2005 11:49 AM CST
>Gave him a chuckle with my sheepish reply about my gem collection.
Dio has one of those too. Amazing what some critters will drop. Sometimes my big pallie will go into supertrolls just trying to get some of them. They seem to be prone to dropping weird rocks.
Dio has one of those too. Amazing what some critters will drop. Sometimes my big pallie will go into supertrolls just trying to get some of them. They seem to be prone to dropping weird rocks.
FIREFALL
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/18/2005 11:59 AM CST
>>Unless you are severely beat up and the empath already has a bunch of owies. I'll look at the person and if they have bad chest, abdomen, back, head, or neck owies then I heal those up real quick and go to town! (That's how ya don't overheal! Who cares if you lose an arm or a leg. You can live without those)
Wow. someone with exactly the same philosophy, who works exactly backwards from me. I'll look to see where bleeding/major wounds are, and start taking arm/leg/hand/eye wounds indiscriminantly while everything else processes mentally with what torso/head/neck wounds I have so I can start casting down the necessary areas. Like you said, limbs and eyes won't kill me.
Tyrathia
Wow. someone with exactly the same philosophy, who works exactly backwards from me. I'll look to see where bleeding/major wounds are, and start taking arm/leg/hand/eye wounds indiscriminantly while everything else processes mentally with what torso/head/neck wounds I have so I can start casting down the necessary areas. Like you said, limbs and eyes won't kill me.
Tyrathia
SYLER
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/18/2005 12:19 PM CST
<<Same with skins, they burden.
HAHAHA!
It amused me when a empath would smile vaguely condescendingly when they'd refuse one of my bundles (ok, that condescending part is my imagination, but I know a lot of empaths think of skins as just a burden)
My bundles run anywhere between a plat, and 3. My Bundles in Ratha were 5 plat lirums.
Hee hee hee...
(This Is Not) Mrrar
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HAHAHA!
It amused me when a empath would smile vaguely condescendingly when they'd refuse one of my bundles (ok, that condescending part is my imagination, but I know a lot of empaths think of skins as just a burden)
My bundles run anywhere between a plat, and 3. My Bundles in Ratha were 5 plat lirums.
Hee hee hee...
(This Is Not) Mrrar
Out of Context Theatre
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LOFTONM1
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/18/2005 02:33 PM CST
>>How difficult is it to say "Thank you", give a hug, tip less than one monster gives you, and be on your way?
Not very hard at all. In fact, out in the field that's pretty much what Symphaena got from everyone--known good tippers and bad tippers alike.
J'Lo, no that other one
Not very hard at all. In fact, out in the field that's pretty much what Symphaena got from everyone--known good tippers and bad tippers alike.
J'Lo, no that other one
LOFTONM1
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/18/2005 02:39 PM CST
>>Hahahah! Damn you!! Now how do you get coffee out of a keyboard?
1)unplug keyboard
2)fill mouth with water
3)listen to extremely funny joke, watch extremely funny video, etc so that you spray water all over keyboard
4)repeat #3 as needed
5)wipe with dry cloth and let dry for 1 hour
J'Lo, no that other one
1)unplug keyboard
2)fill mouth with water
3)listen to extremely funny joke, watch extremely funny video, etc so that you spray water all over keyboard
4)repeat #3 as needed
5)wipe with dry cloth and let dry for 1 hour
J'Lo, no that other one
LOFTONM1
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/18/2005 03:00 PM CST
>>What tips do empaths prefer the most? I mean a member of the locksmith union probably wouldn't mind receiving a box or two for his services. But as an empath, would you prefer to receive boxes/skins or gems/coin. With a box as a tip, you chance that you could not open it and thus have to carry it around (increasing your burden) until you find someone else to open it. Same with skins, they burden. Or would you just prefer an amount of of gems/coins? In the past I've just gone through the gems/coins route.
I never say no to gems. I always say no to healing herbs, even though I know I shouldn't. I also don't say no to coins, but I do prefer gems as they don't disappear when I die and depart. Boxes are just way too bulky to be practical for me, and skins only slightly less so, but when it comes down to them or nothing I'm not going to turn them down. Everything else is subject to how I feel, so if you expect to get away with a couple origami animals because I took them last week don't be surprised if I decline and insist on a real tip.
J'Lo, no that other one
I never say no to gems. I always say no to healing herbs, even though I know I shouldn't. I also don't say no to coins, but I do prefer gems as they don't disappear when I die and depart. Boxes are just way too bulky to be practical for me, and skins only slightly less so, but when it comes down to them or nothing I'm not going to turn them down. Everything else is subject to how I feel, so if you expect to get away with a couple origami animals because I took them last week don't be surprised if I decline and insist on a real tip.
J'Lo, no that other one
LOFTONM1
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/18/2005 03:09 PM CST
>>It amused me when a empath would smile vaguely condescendingly when they'd refuse one of my bundles (ok, that condescending part is my imagination, but I know a lot of empaths think of skins as just a burden)
This is why I almost never decline bundles, but I've also been burned pretty badly with them as well (on a completely unrelated note, I recently found a couple of nifty bundles just lying around full of critter parts I can't even dream of attacking or even plying the scraper on).
J'Lo, no that other one
This is why I almost never decline bundles, but I've also been burned pretty badly with them as well (on a completely unrelated note, I recently found a couple of nifty bundles just lying around full of critter parts I can't even dream of attacking or even plying the scraper on).
J'Lo, no that other one
SYLVERWIND
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/18/2005 03:28 PM CST
>> My empath pretty much hates healing corpses and generally will pawn the job off on anyone else slow enough to not get caught.
Good to know my Empath isn't the only one that hates healing corpses. It interferes with her religious beliefs, but people will still scream at her for it if she tries to explain it. Yeah, she actually has a good reason for following Eylhaar. Go figure.
So she ends up charging most people plats for it, doing as little as she can to allow them to breathe again (bleeders are fine if you can tend them you know) and giving the money away to other people. I must've given out about 10 plat to various people at this point.
>> You have to struggle to be obviously wealthy enough that you can afford to tip SOMETHING, be rude enough to not, and then be even ruder by not even offering something freely given in appreciation.
This is a tough one for my non-empath characters. They look decent. Nothing on them cost more than a few plat though (except for the small spidersilk changeable on my moonie, but I had to sell her spellbook to get that), and a lot of it is gifts. My ickle Cleric is wearing some stuff from the recent fest, for example, because some people were feeling generous. But she doesn't hunt because of the House she's in. The only money she has is from, you guessed it, tips from corpses. Oddly enough, a lot of corpses seem to tip better than the ones asking for healing in the Empath's guild. Hm...
I try to make up for my Moon Mage being an unpleasant person in general by tipping well, but it's usually more than she can afford. She's got a couple plat in each bank, and that's about it. Paying a gold or so for a few minor scuffs adds up quick and usually leaves her broke.
>> What tips do empaths prefer the most?
Mine prefers (okay, loves) boxes, but she's an aspiring locksmith and former union member. If she either can't open it or if it's way below level (rockies or under), she'll work at it until it's open and put it on the shelf for someone more needy to loot. Or...Sometimes she'll pop them and hand them back to the hunter, much to their confusion. She likes opening boxes. It's just something she enjoys doing.
Barring that...anything that isn't a topaz, diopside, or crystal she's not going to mind. Those three really set her off though if you're not an obvious novice, and if you are, she's going to decline anyway.
>> How does one look like an empath, cleric, thief anyway?
Guild crests, bloodstains, anything empath-ish like that. Mannerisms. A lot of people pretty much wear their guild on their shoulder and make it easy to guess which guild they're in.
Miki only wears the one ring and it's got a big fat Empath's Guild crest on it, plus the bloodstained apron. So if you won't go by the Expert Empath post title, you can go by the guild ring and the other stuff she's wearing.
All this discussion kind of has me hankering to play my Empath. Argh...Must circle on my moonie first...
Rev. Reene, player of a few
>
Clemency struggles with his clogged crevice.
Good to know my Empath isn't the only one that hates healing corpses. It interferes with her religious beliefs, but people will still scream at her for it if she tries to explain it. Yeah, she actually has a good reason for following Eylhaar. Go figure.
So she ends up charging most people plats for it, doing as little as she can to allow them to breathe again (bleeders are fine if you can tend them you know) and giving the money away to other people. I must've given out about 10 plat to various people at this point.
>> You have to struggle to be obviously wealthy enough that you can afford to tip SOMETHING, be rude enough to not, and then be even ruder by not even offering something freely given in appreciation.
This is a tough one for my non-empath characters. They look decent. Nothing on them cost more than a few plat though (except for the small spidersilk changeable on my moonie, but I had to sell her spellbook to get that), and a lot of it is gifts. My ickle Cleric is wearing some stuff from the recent fest, for example, because some people were feeling generous. But she doesn't hunt because of the House she's in. The only money she has is from, you guessed it, tips from corpses. Oddly enough, a lot of corpses seem to tip better than the ones asking for healing in the Empath's guild. Hm...
I try to make up for my Moon Mage being an unpleasant person in general by tipping well, but it's usually more than she can afford. She's got a couple plat in each bank, and that's about it. Paying a gold or so for a few minor scuffs adds up quick and usually leaves her broke.
>> What tips do empaths prefer the most?
Mine prefers (okay, loves) boxes, but she's an aspiring locksmith and former union member. If she either can't open it or if it's way below level (rockies or under), she'll work at it until it's open and put it on the shelf for someone more needy to loot. Or...Sometimes she'll pop them and hand them back to the hunter, much to their confusion. She likes opening boxes. It's just something she enjoys doing.
Barring that...anything that isn't a topaz, diopside, or crystal she's not going to mind. Those three really set her off though if you're not an obvious novice, and if you are, she's going to decline anyway.
>> How does one look like an empath, cleric, thief anyway?
Guild crests, bloodstains, anything empath-ish like that. Mannerisms. A lot of people pretty much wear their guild on their shoulder and make it easy to guess which guild they're in.
Miki only wears the one ring and it's got a big fat Empath's Guild crest on it, plus the bloodstained apron. So if you won't go by the Expert Empath post title, you can go by the guild ring and the other stuff she's wearing.
All this discussion kind of has me hankering to play my Empath. Argh...Must circle on my moonie first...
Rev. Reene, player of a few
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Clemency struggles with his clogged crevice.
ELAVIN
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/18/2005 03:33 PM CST
>>I heal you long time. Heal you gud. Make forget herbs. Long time! ~PH
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MOLENIR
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/18/2005 04:00 PM CST
I like many people, play 2 accounts. On 1 account, my empath who is my highest lvl character, the one I spend the most time playing. 80th plus circle if I ever bothered to talk with Anneal, oh and maybe backtrain a few survivals. On my other account, a thief, barb, a trader, and my original character a ranger.
Whenever I take any of the characters hunting, I don't go back to my empath to heal. She is always training FA, and its just too much of a hassle to heal the other characters, and then heal up herself. Ok, I do it occasionally, but normally my ranger will head into town, find a handy empath and then tip a couple nice gems. Occasionally when I'm really beat up, I'll give a bundle.
So the question is, why am I playing an empath, if I never use her to heal? I mean, I have all these other characters that go hunt, get beat up, come back with horrific wounds, and do they go to her? Hell no!
The plain truth of the matter is, I play an empath, because I like playing an empath. And it has nothing to do with healing. I do heal, when I'm in the mood for it. When I'm not, I go hunting, teach, power walk, hang out with friends. I do whatever I happen to be interested in doing.
I guess my point is all this, is that empaths are more then healers. Just as barbs are more then just mindless killing machines, clerics do more then just raise etc. Each character is different, and the fun we have playing, depends on what we, the player enjoy doing with our characters.
RP is defined on a character basis, not a guild one. Who our characters are, has less to do with their guild, then with what we the players behind them choose to do. Guilds give us an outline, we the player, paint the picture.
Mole
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At 1.0000001 with the Universe
I...just wants to go around killing people - Souv
Whenever I take any of the characters hunting, I don't go back to my empath to heal. She is always training FA, and its just too much of a hassle to heal the other characters, and then heal up herself. Ok, I do it occasionally, but normally my ranger will head into town, find a handy empath and then tip a couple nice gems. Occasionally when I'm really beat up, I'll give a bundle.
So the question is, why am I playing an empath, if I never use her to heal? I mean, I have all these other characters that go hunt, get beat up, come back with horrific wounds, and do they go to her? Hell no!
The plain truth of the matter is, I play an empath, because I like playing an empath. And it has nothing to do with healing. I do heal, when I'm in the mood for it. When I'm not, I go hunting, teach, power walk, hang out with friends. I do whatever I happen to be interested in doing.
I guess my point is all this, is that empaths are more then healers. Just as barbs are more then just mindless killing machines, clerics do more then just raise etc. Each character is different, and the fun we have playing, depends on what we, the player enjoy doing with our characters.
RP is defined on a character basis, not a guild one. Who our characters are, has less to do with their guild, then with what we the players behind them choose to do. Guilds give us an outline, we the player, paint the picture.
Mole
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At 1.0000001 with the Universe
I...just wants to go around killing people - Souv
ALLGRINNELL
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/19/2005 01:06 AM CST
>>I have had several unfortunate experiences where my Cleric was the only Cleric in her guildhall, and upon her refusal to touch a corpse without monetary incentive, another Cleric was gwethed for. When these Clerics arrived and were apprised of the situation, they usually got downright infuriated, and proceeded to sit there and rejuve any corpse that arrived with self-righteous alacrity, in a furor to prove how self-abasing "real" Clerics can be.
Came into this thread late and skimmed to avoid Sakhara's trolling, but this caught my eye. Whenever someone on my empath's blacklist asks him for healing, he very loudly explains why he won't heal them. I'd say about half the time, the other empaths in the area will either agree that the person is a lousy tipper/jerk/whatever, or not heal them based on my empath's accusations.
The other half of the time, of course, he gets a preachy speech. Then he shrugs and goes hunting. I've only had one time when these conversations turned into a big deal, and that was (surprise surprise) over the gweth in Crossing.
Came into this thread late and skimmed to avoid Sakhara's trolling, but this caught my eye. Whenever someone on my empath's blacklist asks him for healing, he very loudly explains why he won't heal them. I'd say about half the time, the other empaths in the area will either agree that the person is a lousy tipper/jerk/whatever, or not heal them based on my empath's accusations.
The other half of the time, of course, he gets a preachy speech. Then he shrugs and goes hunting. I've only had one time when these conversations turned into a big deal, and that was (surprise surprise) over the gweth in Crossing.
WYTERAVYN69
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/19/2005 01:18 AM CST
The other half of the time, of course, he gets a preachy speech. Then he shrugs and goes hunting. I've only had one time when these conversations turned into a big deal, and that was (surprise surprise) over the gweth in Crossing.
Let me guess....Aaralise? ::giggles::
Let me guess....Aaralise? ::giggles::
SYLVERWIND
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/19/2005 01:21 AM CST
>> The other half of the time, of course, he gets a preachy speech.
I'd say mine leans more toward 3/4 or more of the time. I think that's because a lot of the people that stick out in my mind from years ago as being rude or apallingly bad tippers have become really well known and/or popular. It has gotten to the point that I just won't mention it to anyone at all no matter how bad what they did/said was. I'll get up and leave the area rather than deal with someone and their little clique of newbie Empaths jumping on my back over it.
Hell, it happened in the Crossing guildhall not a month ago with a rather well-known Zoluren commander, who then went out of his way to stick around and harass my character for as long as possible. Bet you can't guess who.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
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Clemency struggles with his clogged crevice.
I'd say mine leans more toward 3/4 or more of the time. I think that's because a lot of the people that stick out in my mind from years ago as being rude or apallingly bad tippers have become really well known and/or popular. It has gotten to the point that I just won't mention it to anyone at all no matter how bad what they did/said was. I'll get up and leave the area rather than deal with someone and their little clique of newbie Empaths jumping on my back over it.
Hell, it happened in the Crossing guildhall not a month ago with a rather well-known Zoluren commander, who then went out of his way to stick around and harass my character for as long as possible. Bet you can't guess who.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
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Clemency struggles with his clogged crevice.
PUNKKITTY
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/19/2005 08:56 AM CST
The thing is, is that we ALWAYS have this discussion...
And it always leads to the same ending, where Empaths are not happy with tips, and people who are not Empaths try to explain that they don't have enough to satisfy some Empaths lusty needs of fluff.
Pretty much, the appropreiate tip is left up to whatever Empath healed you. Some people don't take its, some people want ALOT of tips, and some people want cash or skins. My advice is make sure with WHATEVER you give, you are sincere and give a thank you and a hug. If they complain, explain that you are giving as much of a share as you possibly can.
Of course to add to this disscusion, I always find it funny how when I'm healing a dead Empath for a raise, they always thank the Cleric, but rarely will thank me for healing them. I think a thank you should come into order, since I don't learn any Empathy off of healing another Empath so I must be doing it to be nice...(Yes I am occasionally nice..)
~Villya
"A cynic is a man who, when he smells flowers, looks around for a coffin."
-H. L. Mencken
And it always leads to the same ending, where Empaths are not happy with tips, and people who are not Empaths try to explain that they don't have enough to satisfy some Empaths lusty needs of fluff.
Pretty much, the appropreiate tip is left up to whatever Empath healed you. Some people don't take its, some people want ALOT of tips, and some people want cash or skins. My advice is make sure with WHATEVER you give, you are sincere and give a thank you and a hug. If they complain, explain that you are giving as much of a share as you possibly can.
Of course to add to this disscusion, I always find it funny how when I'm healing a dead Empath for a raise, they always thank the Cleric, but rarely will thank me for healing them. I think a thank you should come into order, since I don't learn any Empathy off of healing another Empath so I must be doing it to be nice...(Yes I am occasionally nice..)
~Villya
"A cynic is a man who, when he smells flowers, looks around for a coffin."
-H. L. Mencken
UDULOOR
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/19/2005 12:33 PM CST
I'm careful about giving hugs to empaths or clerics or to anyone that has helped me or that I am otherwise thankful of. Unless they wear aprons with huge labels indicating that I'm dealing with a hug-loving person, I prefer to show my gratitude and respect via bowing. I feel hugging is to a small degree an intimate activity and I feel most people don't appreciate being constantly touched and rubbed and whatnot by strangers and I think empaths are no different from other people in that respect. By profession they probably need to endure enough physical and non-physical contact with other people.
Just as I dislike empaths or anyone else I consider a stranger touching and/or healing me without permission, I believe a good amount of empaths dislike being touched/hugged/whatever by relative strangers as well. For me, touching without permission can show a lack of respect for the said person. That's why I prefer bowing or curtsying because I don't want to come across as disrespectful. Everyone has a right to personal space and just because a person's demeanor is neutral or even friendly doesn't mean that he/she doesn't want to exercise that right. I won't comment on the snugglebunny attitude.
Lyonet
Just as I dislike empaths or anyone else I consider a stranger touching and/or healing me without permission, I believe a good amount of empaths dislike being touched/hugged/whatever by relative strangers as well. For me, touching without permission can show a lack of respect for the said person. That's why I prefer bowing or curtsying because I don't want to come across as disrespectful. Everyone has a right to personal space and just because a person's demeanor is neutral or even friendly doesn't mean that he/she doesn't want to exercise that right. I won't comment on the snugglebunny attitude.
Lyonet
LOFTONM1
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/19/2005 12:53 PM CST
>>By profession they probably need to endure enough physical and non-physical contact with other people.
I have to admit that sometimes there are downsides to all that touching, but then again what other profession allows you to lay your hands on another man's (or woman's, as the case might be) entire body and not have your significant other get mad or feel jealous about it? :) Not even clerics get that kind of clearance (besides, most of their constituency is dead and useless).
J'Lo, no that other one
I have to admit that sometimes there are downsides to all that touching, but then again what other profession allows you to lay your hands on another man's (or woman's, as the case might be) entire body and not have your significant other get mad or feel jealous about it? :) Not even clerics get that kind of clearance (besides, most of their constituency is dead and useless).
J'Lo, no that other one
SYLVERWIND
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/19/2005 03:01 PM CST
>> I'm careful about giving hugs to empaths or clerics or to anyone that has helped me or that I am otherwise thankful of.
Wise.
My Empath hates being hugged for healing. One, you're a stranger. Two, she just healed you, and even if she's used to the pain from cuts and bruises, having someone pressing against them and rubbing them is going to hurt enough to be annoying.
She doesn't bow to most people either. Her body isn't as young and fresh as it used to be and she doesn't feel she owes that level of respect to any of her patients, no matter how 'generous' the tip.
So she shakes peoples' hands instead. Some people have acted kind of awkward about it, but it seems to go over well.
>> what other profession allows you to lay your hands on another man's (or woman's, as the case might be) entire body
Uh...I'm aware of the fact that certain Empaths project this image, but I can assure you that seems to be entirely separate from the act of healing.
At least it is for mine. I guess you're welcome to play an Empath that must physically touch every wound and bruise they're transferring. I've always played mine differently, that's all.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
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Clemency struggles with his clogged crevice.
Wise.
My Empath hates being hugged for healing. One, you're a stranger. Two, she just healed you, and even if she's used to the pain from cuts and bruises, having someone pressing against them and rubbing them is going to hurt enough to be annoying.
She doesn't bow to most people either. Her body isn't as young and fresh as it used to be and she doesn't feel she owes that level of respect to any of her patients, no matter how 'generous' the tip.
So she shakes peoples' hands instead. Some people have acted kind of awkward about it, but it seems to go over well.
>> what other profession allows you to lay your hands on another man's (or woman's, as the case might be) entire body
Uh...I'm aware of the fact that certain Empaths project this image, but I can assure you that seems to be entirely separate from the act of healing.
At least it is for mine. I guess you're welcome to play an Empath that must physically touch every wound and bruise they're transferring. I've always played mine differently, that's all.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
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Clemency struggles with his clogged crevice.
WINTERHART
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/19/2005 06:30 PM CST
It's not really a needy lust for fluff, it's more that I bought a ticket to Merelew 2 half-mistakingly and only have 7 plat in my bank account to take to it...
babble
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-Clemency
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"Put your head up to my heart, hear me live and follow suit, this will all be over soon, it's gonna hurt a little." -Emberghost
babble
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-Clemency
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"Put your head up to my heart, hear me live and follow suit, this will all be over soon, it's gonna hurt a little." -Emberghost
PUNKKITTY
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/19/2005 09:37 PM CST
Yeah but you only got the 45 DOLLAR ONE. You should have gone all out and done 90 and been a trooper..or like me..kicking yourself and hoping it isn't a waste otherwise it will be angry letter time.
~Villya
"A cynic is a man who, when he smells flowers, looks around for a coffin."
-H. L. Mencken
~Villya
"A cynic is a man who, when he smells flowers, looks around for a coffin."
-H. L. Mencken
WINTERHART
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/20/2005 09:17 AM CST
Except i'm not premie, so it costs more :P
I have 20 plat now! Movin' on up!
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-Clemency
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"Put your head up to my heart, hear me live and follow suit, this will all be over soon, it's gonna hurt a little." -Emberghost
I have 20 plat now! Movin' on up!
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-Clemency
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"Put your head up to my heart, hear me live and follow suit, this will all be over soon, it's gonna hurt a little." -Emberghost
FAE13
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/22/2005 03:30 PM CST
I agree with the whole respect thing frankly, people think everyone is a zombie, and even when you state "I'm sorry I'm not on duty" because you've got a list of wounds 10 pages long they think you're just being lazy? I've actually had people get huffy and talk about killing all empaths and how we're horrible and how we're no help blah blah blah Frankly I vote for removing the auto puffs and making herbs only work on empaths for a couple weeks(at least in the crossing i don't know how it is in other places) When empaths are the only thing standing between them life and death... People might start to treat them a bit nicer, and actually appericate what we do.
Sympath Faelwen Eternallust
AIM: StixOfPixies
Sympath Faelwen Eternallust
AIM: StixOfPixies
DIMINISHEDANGEL
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/22/2005 05:24 PM CST
>>Frankly I vote for removing the auto puffs and making herbs only work on empaths for a couple weeks(at least in the crossing i don't know how it is in other places) When empaths are the only thing standing between them life and death... People might start to treat them a bit nicer, and actually appericate what we do.
Heh. I can totally understand your sentiment. Guilds that are capable of offering a high degree of service to others (Empaths and Clerics) don't get respect too often. I've seen too many stupid players nearly die from a spar, eagerly yell for help, not tip, and then challenge another person to a spar before the Empath has even finished saying 'you're healed.'
That said... challenging players twice your circle to a spar and then having your chest shattered can be chella fun sometimes. I'm just not averse to the idea of, you know, dying when I act extremely stupid and pick a fight. And also... for the sake of your own guild mates, you don't /want/ to take away my herbs and the autopuff. There are some players (one or two I think, maybe, besides me) who can see when an Empath is healing up and are willing to spend a couple gold at the autopuff instead. I've even gone so far as to dabble in alchemy to create the rare stuff so that when I'm dancing with four leucros at 4 in the morning I don't need to hunt down the one Empath in Elanthia to make sure I don't die. The snerts would only get worse. The people who would really suffer are the ones that already tip well, when they're torn between being a little rude and dying for the fifth time in one day.
When all spells fail, rely on five feet of steel and a strong arm.
Heh. I can totally understand your sentiment. Guilds that are capable of offering a high degree of service to others (Empaths and Clerics) don't get respect too often. I've seen too many stupid players nearly die from a spar, eagerly yell for help, not tip, and then challenge another person to a spar before the Empath has even finished saying 'you're healed.'
That said... challenging players twice your circle to a spar and then having your chest shattered can be chella fun sometimes. I'm just not averse to the idea of, you know, dying when I act extremely stupid and pick a fight. And also... for the sake of your own guild mates, you don't /want/ to take away my herbs and the autopuff. There are some players (one or two I think, maybe, besides me) who can see when an Empath is healing up and are willing to spend a couple gold at the autopuff instead. I've even gone so far as to dabble in alchemy to create the rare stuff so that when I'm dancing with four leucros at 4 in the morning I don't need to hunt down the one Empath in Elanthia to make sure I don't die. The snerts would only get worse. The people who would really suffer are the ones that already tip well, when they're torn between being a little rude and dying for the fifth time in one day.
When all spells fail, rely on five feet of steel and a strong arm.
WYTERAVYN69
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/22/2005 05:37 PM CST
>>The people who would really suffer are the ones that already tip well, when they're torn between being a little rude and dying for the fifth time in one day.
If they tip well then they should have no problem enticing an empath to sit and wait in a safe area near wherever they are hunting or even finding one who will come along for the hunt granted they get half of the loot.
If they tip well then they should have no problem enticing an empath to sit and wait in a safe area near wherever they are hunting or even finding one who will come along for the hunt granted they get half of the loot.
SYLVERWIND
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/22/2005 05:42 PM CST
>> If they tip well then they should have no problem enticing an empath to sit and wait in a safe area near wherever they are hunting or even finding one who will come along for the hunt granted they get half of the loot.
Yeahh, you'd think so wouldn't you?
Tipping a couple of bloodstones or 2 plat got me no difference in the treatment I got from Empaths. Most of the ones I tipped well didn't even remember me.
And half...eh. When you do half the work and if I like you, sure. I don't get wounded enough to make your work worth half the loot I get hunting.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
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Clemency struggles with his clogged crevice.
Yeahh, you'd think so wouldn't you?
Tipping a couple of bloodstones or 2 plat got me no difference in the treatment I got from Empaths. Most of the ones I tipped well didn't even remember me.
And half...eh. When you do half the work and if I like you, sure. I don't get wounded enough to make your work worth half the loot I get hunting.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
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Clemency struggles with his clogged crevice.
DIMINISHEDANGEL
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/22/2005 05:59 PM CST
>>If they tip well then they should have no problem enticing an empath to sit and wait in a safe area near wherever they are hunting or even finding one who will come along for the hunt granted they get half of the loot.
Any combat guild, Barbs especially (since I can't protect or such, only drag a stunned Empath out of combat... which I cannot when berserked, since I can't retreat) quickly reach a point where hunting safely with Empaths isn't much of an option. I've yet to hit circle 30 and I need to hunt with my level 100+ who achieved Battle Empath status dozens of circles ago to find a hunting partner I don't need to worry about.
That said, I've had this happen many times. Tipping well isn't half as effective as being very friendly. Good friendship breeds the kind of environment where tips are not only not accepted, they're insulting. But that's not the point. I completely agree with the sentiment. No doubt. I agree with the frustration. I'd even support some sort of mandatory tipping option built into the game engine.
But to make another- no, ALL other guilds- completely dependent on you, even for a few weeks, just to make a point? I'll agree to that if, during those weeks, you're required to find a thief to steal from you to learn perception, or are not even allowed in hunting areas without the company of a Paladin or Barbarian. I don't think it was a serious suggestion, so I won't take it as such.
When all spells fail, rely on five feet of steel and a strong arm.
Any combat guild, Barbs especially (since I can't protect or such, only drag a stunned Empath out of combat... which I cannot when berserked, since I can't retreat) quickly reach a point where hunting safely with Empaths isn't much of an option. I've yet to hit circle 30 and I need to hunt with my level 100+ who achieved Battle Empath status dozens of circles ago to find a hunting partner I don't need to worry about.
That said, I've had this happen many times. Tipping well isn't half as effective as being very friendly. Good friendship breeds the kind of environment where tips are not only not accepted, they're insulting. But that's not the point. I completely agree with the sentiment. No doubt. I agree with the frustration. I'd even support some sort of mandatory tipping option built into the game engine.
But to make another- no, ALL other guilds- completely dependent on you, even for a few weeks, just to make a point? I'll agree to that if, during those weeks, you're required to find a thief to steal from you to learn perception, or are not even allowed in hunting areas without the company of a Paladin or Barbarian. I don't think it was a serious suggestion, so I won't take it as such.
When all spells fail, rely on five feet of steel and a strong arm.
WYTERAVYN69
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/22/2005 06:08 PM CST
I never said I supported the idea of making it so people had to come to empaths for a week. I was just pointing out that it shouldn't be that hard to find an empath to hunt with. And I can go into areas well above my circle with the help of spells such as GS and Innocence. Unless it's something undead. ::shrugs::
SAKHARA
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/22/2005 06:14 PM CST
>But to make another- no, ALL other guilds- completely dependent on you, even for a few weeks, just to make a point?
Eh, I like the changes that have made the other guilds less dependant on us. Other than death scars, disease and extremely severe wounds, now, everything is healable by herbs. Cool. A good start.
You don't get respect from force, either direction. People don't respect empaths because they're forced to come to us, just as many empaths didn't respect the hunters when we needed them.
Respect is an emotion only freely given. You can make someone fear you, but not respect. The instant force comes into play, it's not respect, any more than you can force someone to love you.
Eh, I like the changes that have made the other guilds less dependant on us. Other than death scars, disease and extremely severe wounds, now, everything is healable by herbs. Cool. A good start.
You don't get respect from force, either direction. People don't respect empaths because they're forced to come to us, just as many empaths didn't respect the hunters when we needed them.
Respect is an emotion only freely given. You can make someone fear you, but not respect. The instant force comes into play, it's not respect, any more than you can force someone to love you.
DIMINISHEDANGEL
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/22/2005 06:46 PM CST
>>I never said I supported the idea of making it so people had to come to empaths for a week. I was just pointing out that it shouldn't be that hard to find an empath to hunt with.
Oh, sorry. My mistake. I thought you did. I've been back-training a lot, everything from gobs to reavers recently. If there are any Empaths that DO wanna hunt, I'd be happy to. Loot splitting and all that.
When all spells fail, rely on five feet of steel and a strong arm.
Oh, sorry. My mistake. I thought you did. I've been back-training a lot, everything from gobs to reavers recently. If there are any Empaths that DO wanna hunt, I'd be happy to. Loot splitting and all that.
When all spells fail, rely on five feet of steel and a strong arm.
PUNKKITTY
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/22/2005 07:09 PM CST
>>I've actually had people get huffy and talk about killing all empaths and how we're horrible and how we're no help blah blah blah Frankly I vote for removing the auto puffs and making herbs only work on empaths for a couple weeks(at least in the crossing i don't know how it is in other places)<<
What the heck, let them have it. I don't need to heal a damn person ever again, and Frankly, I don't need to be looked at as some type of healing goddess from which all good and lovely bunny like things come out of. If anything I've watched people die from blood lose,knowing I could heal them..but eh..why bother?
~Villya
"A cynic is a man who, when he smells flowers, looks around for a coffin."
-H. L. Mencken
What the heck, let them have it. I don't need to heal a damn person ever again, and Frankly, I don't need to be looked at as some type of healing goddess from which all good and lovely bunny like things come out of. If anything I've watched people die from blood lose,knowing I could heal them..but eh..why bother?
~Villya
"A cynic is a man who, when he smells flowers, looks around for a coffin."
-H. L. Mencken
WOOLUMSC
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/22/2005 09:05 PM CST
<<Any combat guild, Barbs especially (since I can't protect or such, only drag a stunned Empath out of combat... which I cannot when berserked, since I can't retreat) quickly reach a point where hunting safely with Empaths isn't much of an option. I've yet to hit circle 30 and I need to hunt with my level 100+ who achieved Battle Empath status dozens of circles ago to find a hunting partner I don't need to worry about.>>
I have absolutely no trouble going wherever my Paladin husband goes to hunt, and he has about 4 times my combats. I can't recall EVER dying while in his care, either. So maybe a lot of people can't safely hunt with an Empath, but a Paladin, one of the three combat guilds, should have no trouble at all.
Having said that, you'd be surprised at how many Empaths can hold their own on the field. I consistently go into hunting areas to see if anyone needs healing. I rarely have anyone not ask if I need protection, or have the hunter keep a close eye on the critters while I'm healing them, and yet half the time, I'm better off than they are. Of course, I typically only roam in hunting areas that I know I can handle, but there have been occassions where I'll push the limits, and in those times, just as in any other, I'm grateful for whatever protection the hunter can spare.
~Chris
I have absolutely no trouble going wherever my Paladin husband goes to hunt, and he has about 4 times my combats. I can't recall EVER dying while in his care, either. So maybe a lot of people can't safely hunt with an Empath, but a Paladin, one of the three combat guilds, should have no trouble at all.
Having said that, you'd be surprised at how many Empaths can hold their own on the field. I consistently go into hunting areas to see if anyone needs healing. I rarely have anyone not ask if I need protection, or have the hunter keep a close eye on the critters while I'm healing them, and yet half the time, I'm better off than they are. Of course, I typically only roam in hunting areas that I know I can handle, but there have been occassions where I'll push the limits, and in those times, just as in any other, I'm grateful for whatever protection the hunter can spare.
~Chris
WESPALISR
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/22/2005 09:16 PM CST
>>Tipping a couple of bloodstones or 2 plat got me no difference in the treatment I got from Empaths. Most of the ones I tipped well didn't even remember me.
I remember Caelumia tipping me 5 gold before (had to be at least a year ago). I highlighted the name and put her on my good tipper list. A couple weeks later, I eagerly healed her again and was tipped a pickle. Needless to say, she was removed from the list. ;) Just saying that Airako did treat you differently, maybe you just didn't notice.
I remember Caelumia tipping me 5 gold before (had to be at least a year ago). I highlighted the name and put her on my good tipper list. A couple weeks later, I eagerly healed her again and was tipped a pickle. Needless to say, she was removed from the list. ;) Just saying that Airako did treat you differently, maybe you just didn't notice.
DIMINISHEDANGEL
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/22/2005 10:11 PM CST
>>I have absolutely no trouble going wherever my Paladin husband goes to hunt, and he has about 4 times my combats.
Yeah. Which is why I said I can't do the Protect thing. Nor do I have beneficial spells/abilities that are not limited to self-cast. Barbarians have Battle Cries, but compared to a heavy dose of Courage it's sort of laughable.
Empaths have several ways to defend themselves, if not directly damage creeps. I won't pretend I've never been unconscious for a few minutes because an Empath wanted to test Nissa's Bond on a young Barb. I suppose I should specify that it isn't safe for /me/ to hunt with Empaths. I am unable to use the great majority of my berserks because they're no-retreat. Barbarians are not really group-oriented unless hunting with other Barbarians. I have, unfortunately, learned this the hard way by having to drag my wife away every time we try to hunt together. I fear the problem will only become more pronounced when the instant-retreat most likely sees its end.
When all spells fail, rely on five feet of steel and a strong arm.
Yeah. Which is why I said I can't do the Protect thing. Nor do I have beneficial spells/abilities that are not limited to self-cast. Barbarians have Battle Cries, but compared to a heavy dose of Courage it's sort of laughable.
Empaths have several ways to defend themselves, if not directly damage creeps. I won't pretend I've never been unconscious for a few minutes because an Empath wanted to test Nissa's Bond on a young Barb. I suppose I should specify that it isn't safe for /me/ to hunt with Empaths. I am unable to use the great majority of my berserks because they're no-retreat. Barbarians are not really group-oriented unless hunting with other Barbarians. I have, unfortunately, learned this the hard way by having to drag my wife away every time we try to hunt together. I fear the problem will only become more pronounced when the instant-retreat most likely sees its end.
When all spells fail, rely on five feet of steel and a strong arm.
WINTERHART
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/22/2005 10:42 PM CST
Weird...Caelumia has always tipped me very well. Must go in ups and downs like a rollercoaster maybe :p
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"Put your head up to my heart, hear me live and follow suit, this will all be over soon, it's gonna hurt a little." -Emberghost
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-Clemency
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"Put your head up to my heart, hear me live and follow suit, this will all be over soon, it's gonna hurt a little." -Emberghost
SYLVERWIND
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/22/2005 11:05 PM CST
>> Must go in ups and downs like a rollercoaster maybe :p
Like her mood.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
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Clemency struggles with his clogged crevice.
Like her mood.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
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Clemency struggles with his clogged crevice.
ASHAMAN1
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/22/2005 11:08 PM CST
>>>>I have absolutely no trouble going wherever my Paladin husband goes to hunt, and he has about 4 times my combats.
Yeah. Which is why I said I can't do the Protect thing. Nor do I have beneficial spells/abilities that are not limited to self-cast. Barbarians have Battle Cries, but compared to a heavy dose of Courage it's sort of laughable.
Empaths have several ways to defend themselves, if not directly damage creeps. I won't pretend I've never been unconscious for a few minutes because an Empath wanted to test Nissa's Bond on a young Barb. I suppose I should specify that it isn't safe for /me/ to hunt with Empaths. I am unable to use the great majority of my berserks because they're no-retreat. Barbarians are not really group-oriented unless hunting with other Barbarians. I have, unfortunately, learned this the hard way by having to drag my wife away every time we try to hunt together. I fear the problem will only become more pronounced when the instant-retreat most likely sees its end.
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Nice backpeddling there... Protect, for all its snazzy-ness is a rather new ability in the grand scheme of things and while it makes things easier, its hardly foolproof. That said, I could take Empaths (or anyone for that matter) with me at level hunting and not only keep them safe without protect, but give them a chance to do some damage as well. While I do feel for the no retreating while berserking, you DO have other options should you care to use them. Also, try not to constantly assume anyone with you is some kind of combat cripple, more often then not my wife saves my life in combat, not the other way round.
Samsaren Remlane
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man, target practice on the other hand, is another matter entirely.
Yeah. Which is why I said I can't do the Protect thing. Nor do I have beneficial spells/abilities that are not limited to self-cast. Barbarians have Battle Cries, but compared to a heavy dose of Courage it's sort of laughable.
Empaths have several ways to defend themselves, if not directly damage creeps. I won't pretend I've never been unconscious for a few minutes because an Empath wanted to test Nissa's Bond on a young Barb. I suppose I should specify that it isn't safe for /me/ to hunt with Empaths. I am unable to use the great majority of my berserks because they're no-retreat. Barbarians are not really group-oriented unless hunting with other Barbarians. I have, unfortunately, learned this the hard way by having to drag my wife away every time we try to hunt together. I fear the problem will only become more pronounced when the instant-retreat most likely sees its end.
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Nice backpeddling there... Protect, for all its snazzy-ness is a rather new ability in the grand scheme of things and while it makes things easier, its hardly foolproof. That said, I could take Empaths (or anyone for that matter) with me at level hunting and not only keep them safe without protect, but give them a chance to do some damage as well. While I do feel for the no retreating while berserking, you DO have other options should you care to use them. Also, try not to constantly assume anyone with you is some kind of combat cripple, more often then not my wife saves my life in combat, not the other way round.
Samsaren Remlane
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man, target practice on the other hand, is another matter entirely.
SYLVERWIND
Re: Empath Ethics?
11/22/2005 11:10 PM CST
Well, now that I'm remembering to hit 'post'...
>> A couple weeks later, I eagerly healed her again and was tipped a pickle. Needless to say, she was removed from the list. ;)
Pickles are as good as gold! Well, they are to my moonie anyway... She's got a thing for pickles.
I cycle from having money to being broke on my moonie. When there are no plats or gold left, I dig into my vaults and pull stuff out. The pickles are what I found, I figured I could start up something interesting by giving them out with some enthusiasm.
It did not go as well as I'd hoped. But it seems you know that part already. Heh. Sorry.
>> Just saying that Airako did treat you differently, maybe you just didn't notice.
Yes, maybe I didn't. My experience is tainted by all the times I've had to sit around asking and asking to no avail. Hell, I've been mocked in the Empath's guild for asking and offering money.
Guess it won't matter at all when I finally get Miki moved to a second account.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
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Clemency struggles with his clogged crevice.
>> A couple weeks later, I eagerly healed her again and was tipped a pickle. Needless to say, she was removed from the list. ;)
Pickles are as good as gold! Well, they are to my moonie anyway... She's got a thing for pickles.
I cycle from having money to being broke on my moonie. When there are no plats or gold left, I dig into my vaults and pull stuff out. The pickles are what I found, I figured I could start up something interesting by giving them out with some enthusiasm.
It did not go as well as I'd hoped. But it seems you know that part already. Heh. Sorry.
>> Just saying that Airako did treat you differently, maybe you just didn't notice.
Yes, maybe I didn't. My experience is tainted by all the times I've had to sit around asking and asking to no avail. Hell, I've been mocked in the Empath's guild for asking and offering money.
Guess it won't matter at all when I finally get Miki moved to a second account.
Rev. Reene, player of a few
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Clemency struggles with his clogged crevice.
