As someone whose cleric is approaching 90th circle, I cringe a little, because I think Flavius was almost to the point where Teaching would slow him down anyway. Any idea how many ranks of Teaching this will require as of 90th?

I understand why the tweak is happening- and we have already been told before that our basic Teaching requirement is going to stay so with that I would like to request some improvements for Clerical Teaching. I really don't want them so much as I want a way to make Teaching more practical, easier to learn and more fun.

I have said it before but Preaching should be changed. It shouldn't conflict with Teaching and should teach Teaching very well. I probably have used Preach once in the last 12 months because it just conflicts with Teaching and doesn't give much back.

Or another suggestion I have made was a cleric only teaching option for Preach- it would teach Teaching and Scholarship at a higher rate, with a small amount of vocals, but otherwise would work like Teaching.

Or increase the learning rates to both Student and Teacher for each Vigil link.

Increase the Teaching experience for each Pray.

Have reciting Prayer scrolls teach teaching.

Heck let clerics appraise altars work like appraising the art in Crossing- except have it teach Teaching and Scholarship instead.

I can certainly manage to learn Teaching with Flavius, but it doesn't seem natural, and there is a reason that Teaching lags far behind Scholarship and Appraisal- Flavius has more First Aid than teaching. Other ways to learn Teaching, especially ones that don't rely on quantities of skilled listeners would really help.

I'm well past the teaching reqs for 150 now so this change won't bother me much but why not lower both the 70-100 and 100-150 teaching reqs? IMO Clerics teaching reqs are ridiculously high, 10 ranks isn't going to change it much.

Thanks for the update Grejuva

Nikpack

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-Armifer

My Scholarship is actually only 5 above my teaching 605 and 600. I would go for like a lore average over teaching req though.

Total Ranks Displayed: 2129
Lore Average: 304

In answer to your original question Flavius, you'd need 280 ranks for 90th.

Not sure how many circles behind I am in teaching but even one more reason to keep on ignoring teaching.

Crory, da illiterate

Not everyone has more scholarship than teaching. Swapping from teaching to scholarship as a requirement is not really an option. It's only recently (and when I say recently I mean in the past 5-6 years) that scholarship was even remotely trainable. Those of us who did most of our teaching before that time would really suffer from such a change. Though admittedly, maybe I'm the only one :P

The best option is to make teaching more trainable, not to change the requirements. 520 for 150th is high for a secondary skill, but it's honestly not as absurd as people are making it out to be. I mean our weapon requirement is 620, as is the weapon requirement in pretty much every weapon secondary guild. Every other weapon secondary guild is required to learn at least 2 weapons, except us. Our teaching requirement is high because we only need 1 weapon.

Options which allow you to train teaching without relying on the quality of student would be a huge start.

I agree with Terk, switching to scholarship would be just as bad.

I think the best idea is lowering 70-100 to 3 and 100-150 to 4. This would put the total ranks at 150 at 490 which is a much more reasonable lowering than 10 ranks and still a heafty amount.

I don't foresee a real change happening to the Teaching requirement (as opposed to just eliminating fractional reqs as cleanly as possible like we are doing now) unless Theosophy comes to life along with its own requirement.

As for the suggestions related to Teaching itself, consider them noted. I too would like to do something more substantial with Preach.

GM Grejuva

Grejuva

One of my favorite items I would like to point out- the slab. I don't know if every cleric has even experienced it but I love the slab. But I think it both needs to be updated and perhaps expanded upon. I think the RT should go down, at a minimum or the experience increased.

And then I would like to see slabs or slab like devices in some other locations. I think Temple of Darkness would be a nice place for one.

Teaching doesn't matter much to Ryeka since she was pretty much a teacher's pet as a baby cleric- Much to the chagrin of a few of the older clerics who had trained teaching only to level! ;)

But I have a couple of clerics that I'm training up as warriors rather than scholars. This change will be a little hard on them- but no worries. Adapt and overcome!


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>but I don't know why non-WM magic primes can't teach TM as well.

It's both from the era before anyone thought of skillset perks (which I almost miss, some skillset perks get very "meta"), and the era when warmages were the orphans of DR design and consequently got thrown a lot of bones.

WMs really don't need this particular bone anymore.

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"...I am inclined to think the focus of the [Warmage's] spellbook should be ways to make things explode, to help you make things explode, or to assist your victim in exploding." -Armifer

>>Since technical reasons were cited as the motivation for the adjustment, should other guilds with similar fractional requirements expect to see similar adjustments, or is this specifically a Clerical technicality?

They should, yes, although not in the immediate future.

GM Grejuva

No need to rush those out Grejuva. July would be fine.

stop being a lazy dwarf

Hey I resemble that remark!

I am a fan of all tweaks thus far. Harsaah.

Except HULP. I still want to be able to cast it in a safe room. </3 WM's can vertigo me. I want to HULP them.

Hulp me hulp them.

- Tyrun