Maybe I am wrong, but I think all the aoe spells are this way. Might be broken yes. Things casted at engage probalby shouldn't warrant it. Fire rain also acts the same way Fou does. It might be a limitation of the system to determine difference for justice, but I don't know.

>P.S. Personally, I would be more likely to add code to murder civilians 1 out of 100 times and charge for both murder and endangering the public, than remove the charge.

Please do.

>P.S. Personally, I would be more likely to add code to murder civilians 1 out of 100 times and charge for both murder and endangering the public, than remove the charge.

As long as I get to keep the ball.

GENT

I think the conceptual difference between Horn and FoU, is horn is akin to a pistol. One shot probably aimed, not likely to deal a high amount of collateral damage, and people are familiar/comfortable with it. FoU would be more similar to a small explosive, like a fragmentary grenade. Even if you have great aim, etc, its still very easy to catch someone accidentally in the crossfire, or deal high collateral damage, etc.

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Pants.

Admittedly my posts contribute nothing (never have), but I'd like to say that GM boards involvement has been really great for quite some time. In the old days GMs didn't respond to anything.

< If you'd like to seriously convince me that the line is in a bad place, take into account every guild and combat style and tell me how the line being drawn anywhere else is a benefit to all of them, because mechanics also need to come into play not just how a fictitious society would realistically react to a particular action without knowledge of intent.>

I'd argue that the line shouldn't be drawn on any spell that is targetted. Elanthian citizens(Joe Farmer, Bill Thatcher, Bob Fisherman) all live in a world of monsters and magic. Its not a stretch to assume they are aware of this(citizens kidnapped and sacrificed, farms burned to the ground etc). The "average" citizen sees magic of all kinda every day. Joe farmer runs over he foot with a plow, he goes to an empath. Bill Thatchers son gets lost, he asks a moon mage to find him. Bob Fisherman gets weather reports from a moon mage. Magic is a part of their daily lives as much as the "hero" class. I'd argue that said citizen would be less afraid of the lava killing the necro zombie, then the zombie itself. Even the uneducated waif would be able to discern ZOMBIE=BAD LAVA/LIGHTNING killing said Zombie=GOOD.

I'd argue a beam of light streaking down from the heavens and a group of people stepping out of it from thin air would be much more disconcerting, then a cleric fighting off an evil creation.

>>Joe farmer runs over he foot with a plow, he goes to an empath. Bill Thatchers son gets lost, he asks a moon mage to find him. Bob Fisherman gets weather reports from a moon mage.

I suspect that your overestimate the amount of contact the average commoner has with guilded heroes. I bet Joe waits for his foot to heal (or not), Bill gets the rest of the village to help him look for his son and Bob learns to predict the weather as best he can himself.

While most Elanthians have the raw capacity to do magic, the vast majority of people live under the restraints of a feudal environment. They're bound to the land, get by year to year, and rarely travel more than a few miles from their home. They are, after all, part of the property. Magicians are part of the guilds, the small artisan/merchant class that has "made it" and by freak luck or accident of birth managed to gain some independence.

This doesn't mean it's impossible for small villages and remote towns to have access to magicians, especially Clerics (who will be the most heavily integrated and traveled of all the magicians), but it's not guaranteed or even likely that Joe Commoner will have access to Empathic assistance even if he could afford it.

This does, coincidentally, mean that most of what a normal person knows about magic they'll probably learn from a priest.

-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas

That is a cool explanation, how do commoners see barbarians?