I know this rant will most likely be obsolete in the upcoming months due to magic 3.0, but I just wanted to get it off my chest. I very rarely complain about training issues on the whole, but training targeted magic is becoming more and more of a hassle and less of a skill I train for enjoyment. Being within a couple of ranks of 800 TM, I'm hoping that the large majority of other clerics won't have to experience the same problem I'm having (once again because of Magic 3.0).

The number of critters that even teach targeted magic to me are extremely small; a majority of them are located on mer'kresh (featuring armadillos and celps) with the others having unbearably low spawn in a large area(resuscitants) or have special mechanics and absolutely no decent loot(flex souls right next to resuscitants). With that being said, it saddens and annoys me that the fastest and arguably best way to train TM is by doing what people do to start training TM: spamming BOLT. This is the type of experience I've had for training TM:

flex tortured souls: 3 spawn per hunter, flex, actually teach well but have no loot except soulstones (which I subsequently dump into the paladin's guild). The majority of the time is spent waiting for the 3 souls to spawn back. Average time to lock TM: 20 minutes using HORN

Resuscitants: 4-6 per hunter, hard to get in one room, hides, ambushes. Decent loot and boxes. A majority of the time is spent running through the rooms trying to find them. Average time to lock TM: Over 30 minutes using FF, HORN, or BOLT.

Super Celps: Great spawn, skins only. With celps being completely immune to fire (and not to mention in a justice location), FOU and BOLT do absolutely no damage, which leaves me using HORN to kill celps. Takes somewhere between 150-200 kills of celps to lock TM, using HORN nonstop. Average time to lock TM: 30-40 minutes

Armadilos: Decent spawn depending on the number of hunters, skin only. Armadillos actually work the best on kresh due to their shield and heavy armor. Alternating between FOU to clear out rooms and then spamming BOLT (effectively learning while not actually killing the armadillo) while waiting for more keeps TM moving faster than targeting and killing celps nonstop. Average time to lock TM: 20-25 minutes.

So on the whole training TM turns into a frustrating, monotonous affair. I'm not asking for TM or spawn to be fixed or anything, I honestly just wanted to rant, and I figured this is where I should do it. /endrant

-Langa

I'm pretty sure Devs know of and are working at eliminating this problem by adding in AIM/TARGET exp.

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Try the new Dragonpriests using multi-shot FF?

Unfortunately Dragon priests don't count as cursed critters (as blasphemous as they are) so FF shots an unremarkable one orb. But yeah, I'm looking forward to the magic 3.0 changes, at least in this one particular aspect.

-Langa

At what point does training TM become so hard? I dont seem to be noticing the problems you folks are having

I started to notice it at about 550 Kleis, maybe a touch lower or higher... I would say lets test it but by that time there may be magic 3.0


-Joshuan-

Well, in general, if it's a skill to lock and move on, like climbing, is it better to spend, say, an hour trying to lock it, and get 18 extra pulses? Say that's Mindlock twice over, though in my experience, I kind of doubt that. Probably more like 1.5 times.

Or spend 20 minutes to lock a skill, and move on to another skill to lock in 20 minutes, and then a third skill to lock in 20 minutes?

"Perfect training efficiency" is more of a motto than something precisely defined; of keeping as many skills moving at max drain as you can, which is really just keep things at 2/34 or 3/34.

If you could magically keep 50 skills at 2/34 forever compared to 1-2 at 34/34, the former is FAR more preferable.

That all said. I do not view 20 minutes to lock a primary skill as "long". High drain %, large pool. I might consider that a bit much for a secondary skill, and definitely a tertiary skill should be locking faster than 20 minutes if you're hammering it.

Kaeta Airtag

>>Actually an opinion cannot be changed or corrected. Nice try back of line.-VERATHOR
>>But it can be wrong.-Starlear

"I guess my main rant/complaint isn't necessarily how long it takes to lock TM, but more the method required to do so in the most efficient manner. Despite having the full repertoire of cleric spells, I'm stuck using a wimpy first tier spell to learn the best"

I don't understand this either. Is this something that happens when you get higher? I've never found eb to be better than one of our own spells.

I follow what you're saying Langa. Looks like I have something to look forward to if I ever hit that level.

>>At what point does training TM become so hard? I dont seem to be noticing the problems you folks are having

When your TM is so high that you

A) no longer have a viable undead to FF

B) can't find spawn to keep up with robot unicorn attack (ala dillos)

I'm sure it's referring to the drain that occurs when you log out. You'll drain your skills a lot longer at 34/34 (8 hours to go from 34/34 to 0/34?) This is what I consider "max drain."


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Just to be clear - I didn't do it. Not sure who did, but it wasn't me.

- GM Raesh

If TM is the only magic skill you care about, spamming low mana snap casts works best especially if its multi hit.

If you want to train other magics at the same time, use a large cambrinth charge to boost the above strategy. TM will lock more slowly, but all other magics will move faster.

-Evran

Gay, geeky, and a little bit cheeky.

Like Gar Zeng or FF against undead. I.e. more than one hit against a single target with a single cast.

-Evran

Gay, geeky, and a little bit cheeky.

I just use FOU now, supplimented by DR. If there are just too few targets for FOU, I will use FF and AE. Not perfect by any means but I currently find anything but FOU rather tedious. Thats my issue though.



Clerics are just so cuddly you can't get mad at them, until they try to rip your soul out and chew on it like a candy bar.

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Clerics are just so cuddly you can't get mad at them, until they try to rip your soul out and chew on it like a candy bar.