Is there a timer as to how often one can make Kiss Roses?

It's been forever since I've made one. Thankfully I had a mortar containing all the items I had used in making them in the past, including some leftover petals and was successful. Then I decided to try making another, stocking up for future needs. I traveled to Leth and converted my new petals into a pulp, but when I tried to mix the attar, I'd get a RT message that "nothing happens." My guess is that you can only make the attar every so often. Anyone have further insight?

Thanks!

Nikpack

The "nothing happens" is probably because you don't have enough catalyst to bind it, check how much powder you have in the jar. Only other timer I've seen is getting petals/rue and commune timer. Besides those two should be able to make as many as you want.

What catalysts do people use? I bought some dracon crystals from Chizili's Alchemical Goods in Crossings. I tried using both the dracon crystals and dracon powder. Both gave me the "nothing happens" messaging.

Thanks for the ideas/help!

Nikpack

I just made 4 batches of attar (as that's how many petals I had on hand) with no problems.

Couple of things I discovered.....

1) When you pour the holy oil into <container, I use a jar> it seems to lose its holiness.

"The holy aura fades from some oil when you pour it into a large jar."

2) I started with 3 parts of dracon powder and discovered it only uses 1 each time.

Come find me IG if you want, would be happy to sit down with you to see if we can figure this out.

~Gabellia

Every time I mess with kiss roses I get annoyed about how convoluted and picky the rose attar stuff is. I wish it could just be something new instead of using some hack of the old crafting system.

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Thayet
@thayelf // http://thayette.tumblr.com

"But you must know that if corruption is powerful enough, it's not corruption at all — it's law. Unspoken, unwritten, but law." — Robert Jackson Bennett, City of Stairs

>>Every time I mess with kiss roses I get annoyed about how convoluted and picky the rose attar stuff is. I wish it could just be something new instead of using some hack of the old crafting system.

I think the GM that designed the roses wanted Clerics to be able to provide something fun for the masses. I also remember it was suppposed to be a way for Clerics to pick up a few extra coin, if they wanted to sell them. (Well, that sure has changed!)

Prayer beads sorta fall into their own category as well, it seems. While we can craft them under the new system.....I believe we still have to craft them the old way to make them devotional.

I would be curious to know if the powers that be mean to update both of these items for Clerics, or if they have already decided to let them stay as is.

Course, I'm also waiting for RoB/Mpp/Pfe/Bless to be fixed. (Has that been broke since the change to magic? Which was.....when?) But that should probably go in another folder.

~Gab

I started doing engineering on my cleric just to do beads when it was announced. Sadly though all you can do is use them for favors. Can't even put em on a prayer chain.

Would also be nice if the harder things to carve, totems and such, would grant devotion more so then a bead but right now I'd settle with the beads just working like ones made using mech.

>>When engineered beads became a thing, prayer bead chains and the devotional ritual should have been updated to accept them (and probably only them).

I get it, but I also know that if you wait until X Y and Z conditionals are met, project creep sets in and nothing ever gets released. Also factor in that GMs aren't universally apt at every DR system, so you're also faced with "do I not release an update because everything involving a bead won't work just yet and I don't know how to/can't update those systems as well?"

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>> When engineered beads became a thing, prayer bead chains and the devotional ritual should have been updated to accept them (and probably only them).

This would be a problem because it's the best way to get devotion at the upper end and I'm opposed to pigeonholing any guild into a single crafting skill like that. And I assume that's why it wasn't done back then too.

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Thayet
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"But you must know that if corruption is powerful enough, it's not corruption at all — it's law. Unspoken, unwritten, but law." — Robert Jackson Bennett, City of Stairs

I really love being able to train mech without the dreaded fold or braid..... I probably don't have the skill to do a lot of different beads but really have not tried the whole bead carving with eng. yet and will not till i can use them for devotion. I might be able to pull some of them off with between 450 and 500 eng though.

I love the creation systems they have out now but would love to see them fleshed out some more. Bone carving really was a great "FIT" for my cleric who tries to pull off a decent swamp shaman. It just had a great IC feel for him and i was able to embrace it and enjoy the system. My suggestion would be to include making the bonding and unbonding roses a low level cleric feature in the alchemy system. something with 50 or 100 ranks you could pull off and keep the gather spot for the current stuff needed so no quest rewrites are needed.

To be honest, I think creation systems like this that are so linked to a specific skill (beads for clerics and talismans for warrior mages) should be based on their guild skill and not a crafting skill to force them into something just to train a skill in another set or have access to class abilities.

Perhaps just creating the base bead would require Engineering, but this can be done with 0 ranks using the simplest bead design. Then Theurgy ranks would determine the level of devotion gained from it. There could even still be increased devotion from using a higher tier crafted item, but it would be just a bonus on top of the base devotion from theurgy skill, so not strictly necessary.