>>I notice there's no Hard/Soft requirement for it.

IIRC there won't be until Raesh gets a chance to rewrite all of our Bardic Lore abilities.

~ Leilond
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> Sure would be nice if it counted as a lore in the meantime.

So that people would be stuck not having trained properly when it gets added as a hard req?

>>now I have to work skills that I didn't need to before. So, there's that.

Yeah, I'm feeling the sting too. I actually have to train Scholarship to circle now lol

But yeah, it'd probably be a very bad thing if you could use a skill to circle now, and then in a few months that skill becomes a hard requirement and you can't use it anymore. It wouldn't be fair to any other guild.

~ Leilond
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>>Is it going to be grandfathered when the requirement is put in?

I imagine so, just like they're doing for Expertise and Endurance :)

~ Leilond
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> there was already a bunch of math involved in figuring out what you ranks in it should be

What math was that? I thought it was just Music Theory renamed. Are you thinking of how Performance was figured?

Do we know what the requirement will be? If not, how do we train it to level in the meantime?

Elemental Lord Opieus, Master Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer

Hmm, you're right, I think it was Musical Theory renamed. I think I was confusing myself with one of the other variants that was discussed at one point - I haven't really been involved in skill grandfathering.

Either way, I would not count on grandfathering happening at a later date.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

>I believe in the final draft it was in line with Performance.

There might need to be some sort of grandfathering then, since music theory wasn't required to circle before? Also, the circle requirements in 2.0 for lore were lower than what the requirement is for Performance.

I've been training BL pretty well, keeping it moving in combat through whistles and bluffing and doing practices pretty much as often as I can. And my BL isn't up to where my circle requirement is for Performance, although it's getting there. Part of this is from the fact that my BL fell quite a bit behind at first once 3.0 dropped.

Circle: 41
Showing Lore skills with field experience.

SKILL: Rank/Percent towards next rank/Amount learning/Mindstate Fraction
Performance: 178 87% mind lock (34/34) Bardic Lore: 162 95% focused (20/34)

Not doing any grandfathering and/or not having it as a requirement right now will only lead to trouble once the requirement is put in place, if no grandfathering is done at that time.

>> Not doing any grandfathering and/or not having it as a requirement right now will only lead to trouble once the requirement is put in place, if no grandfathering is done at that time.

Why is that? Unlike performance (excluding the trickle you get from scream conc), bardic lore can be kept near locked/locked 24/7. Scream defiance and whistle piercing every few minutes. Keep words up, and you shouldn't have a problem with mojo (at least I haven't reached that point yet). Scream concussion occasionally when in combat for that little extra boost.

I've been bad and haven't paid much attention to the mess that is Bardic Lore, so I've been trying to figure it out. I thought Evoke was supposed to be training it, but it's not moving it at all...

[The Crossing, Landfall Dock]

> exp bl

SKILL: Rank/Percent towards next rank/Amount learning/Mindstate fraction
Bardic Lore: 994 76.46% clear (0/34)

> evoke

>
You focus on your surroundings, seeking any impressions of the past.

However, you are distracted by a little girl clutching a ragdoll crying out for her mother. You glance downward and ask her if she is lost.

She nods at you, saying, "We travelled here from Ratha and got separated. A sailor came and told us that our inn rooms were ready. Momma said to wait here for Daddy to leave the ship, then went with the sailor." Before you can reply she yells toward the river, "Daddy!" and runs down the gangplank.

Suddenly, she is knocked into the swirling water below by a burly sailor carrying a trunk. You shoulder your way through the crowd to where she fell, but all you see is the ghostly image of a child reaching upward. Her blond hair floats upon the water, and one hand clutches the doll as she dissolves before your eyes.

All you are left with is the sound of her voice echoing on the river's breeze, calling out, "Daddy!"

With a start, you find yourself drawn back to the reality of the here and now.
Roundtime: 2 sec.
> exp bl

SKILL: Rank/Percent towards next rank/Amount learning/Mindstate fraction
Bardic Lore: 994 76.46% clear (0/34)

Time Development Points: 2246 Favors: 12 Deaths: 43 Departs: 15
Overall state of mind: clear
EXP HELP for more information

>
As each feathery note falls from your lips, you weave it into a tapestry of subtle harmonics that support a line of melody in a minor key, forming the complex measures of the "Sanctuary" enchante.
The music takes hold, manifesting as a large dome of shimmering light.
> evoke bodhran
You attempt to evoke memories of the past, but nothing seems to have left a strong enough imprint on an ebony bodhran with a cambrinth inlay and a decorated head.
>
Something about an ebony bodhran with a cambrinth inlay and a decorated head tickles at your unconscious recollection.
> exp bl

SKILL: Rank/Percent towards next rank/Amount learning/Mindstate fraction
Bardic Lore: 994 76.46% clear (0/34)

It is working from my screams at least, so it'll be something I can work on in combat, at least.
> scream defiance

Building inspiration from tales of heroic Bardic deeds, you steel your resolve and bellow a defiant decry against oppression!
> exp bl

SKILL: Rank/Percent towards next rank/Amount learning/Mindstate fraction
Bardic Lore: 994 76.46% perusing (2/34)

-Broichan Leshyahen

> hum tuneless
You hum a tuneless tune.

The problem you're seeing with Evoke is when I redid the exp it actually scales vs the difficulty of the evoke and you're swinging around so much Bardic lore most of the evokes that exist right now will be smashed by your skill.

I've been putting hard and harder ones into the game (There's an extremely hard one waiting in the wings for one of my projects) so it should ease up over time.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose