what conflicts? you bards don't seem to have too many of them.

We have conflicts. I completely disagree with you.

;P

Troublesome Bard players don't take conflicts to OOC boards.

They just fall into fits of passive-aggressive complaining that mix IC and OOC, whine about you to their small group of friends, and make your characters have grudges against you at IC events for OOC reasons.

There's also a lot of stress relief sorts of activity that are not suitable for discussion on E+ rated message boards.

That's not a slam against the Bard guild. Overall, like any other guild, there is a wide diversity of combat characters, awesome rpers, or awesome rpers who play combat characters. The troublesome Bards simply tend to be seclusive and incestuous with their squabbles and rumors and such, which I suppose is a good thing because it makes it that much easier to ignore ;).
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>>Bards causing drama? Never!

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>>WOW someday I want to grow up to be just like you. That way I can speak with authority about a large group of people and sound like a babbling buffoon while I do it

It's appallingly obvious you only read half of the post you're attacking. If you had actually finished reading it I find it difficult to believe you would still think I am generalizing when I said something like...

>>That's not a slam against the Bard guild. Overall, like any other guild, there is a wide diversity of combat characters, awesome rpers, or awesome rpers who play combat characters.
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Trust DA to start a real conflict.


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I think the best bard conflicts are when they complain about who other bards let into the guild.

Or when they complain about invasions getting past the portal.

I am --- Navak

That's nothing. I unwittingly let Luceano & co. in one time.

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>>Not to mention, the moment you are at the top, people start trying to take you down from the top.

Good, there needs to be more powerful Bards in the realms. It's high time this guild lose its title as a joke.

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With no disrespect to those with high combat prowess, I think it is also about time that how hard one can hit will lose some of its status as the single most important measurement of how powerful one is.

>>I think it is also about time that how hard one can hit will lose some of its status as the single most important measurement of how powerful one is.

I think what you meant to say is...

"I think it is also about time that how hard one can hit will lose some of its status as the single most important thing in the game."

If you're weak, you're not powerful. It's as simple as that.

However, I will put in my hopes that the Lore rewrite will create another avenue to establish importance to characters who are not powerful.

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Ahh, perhaps you're talking about the wealth side of "powerful" as well then.

It's a shame, the only way to really accrue wealth in DragonRealms is to either get stronger and reap the rewards of the treasure system, or provide forged/tanned equipment(which also requires weapon/armor skills).

This is why I equate "powerful" to "combat expertise" in this medieval fantasy game. Really, there is nothing else until the Lore re-write.

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It is true that there are many people who are incapable of respecting others who can't grind them into a pulp if they step out of line.

Such people should be ground into pulp often.


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And the truth isn't what you want to see.
In the dark, it is easy to pretend
That the truth is what it ought to be." - Erik Claudin

>>And respect the one who does it.

No.

They should simply be ground into pulp often. I wouldn't do it myself. I don't want their respect.


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In the dark, it is easy to pretend
That the truth is what it ought to be." - Erik Claudin

"If you're weak, you're not powerful. It's as simple as that."

Wrong. There are plenty of people who are physicaly weak but still have power. If you are charismatic enough you can convince others to do your killing for you.

"It's a shame, the only way to really accrue wealth in DragonRealms is to either get stronger and reap the rewards of the treasure system, or provide forged/tanned equipment(which also requires weapon/armor skills)."

Or join the traders guild where you can make a fortune without being in combat. You can also use a little buisness sense and buy fest items, that whole buy low sell high bit.

Personally I dont give a damn if a Bard, or any other guild, never circles past 1st. Its no one's buisness but the person who is playing said Bard. As far as other peoples outlook upon Bards, why would you care? Does it really bug you so much that not everyone likes the group you decided to join?

Thanks,
Kleis

<<It's the feeling you get when you turn 100th circle, and people automatically assume your worth is only equivalent to half of that>>
Well it is more or less the truth if your talking about pure combat power. Technically, it should be too. Barbarians are designed to be the ultimate killing machine (I guess warmies too), so it would make sense that everyone would scale slightly or majorly below. I would never consider a 100th Moon Mage to be a threat to a 100th Barbarian in mundane weapon magnitude. However, every guild has their "tricks" to close that gap. Except for Traders I guess.

In my opinion a Trader is the rawest warrior out there, they have no tricks to save them, they can either slice their way out or die.

Ackfer - Halfling in a Can, No Fillers Here!

>>It's annoying being looked down upon just for being the member of a certain guild. It's not so much that people like or dislike Bards--I couldn't care less about that about that. Are you serious? I'm the (partly annoying)anime ninja dude. If I really cared about what other people thought about my character, I wouldn't portray nearly all the weird things I do.

>>What irks me is when someone finds out I'm a Bard, and automatically assumes I'm weak for "my circle" when compared to other highly combat oriented guilds with super-powered abilities which are feared, or when people disqualify the achievements I've attained because "I'm a Bard" and I'm not even worth considering.

I think you care entirely too much about what other people think. If your ego is that easily bruised, you chose the wrong guild. Guess I'm in the minority, but I could give a flying leap what other people think of Bards. Labels are for soup cans, and the ones who apply them I tend to ignore.

In my opinion, there's nothing more fun than taking someone by surprised when they underestimate your skills. If you are working so hard to be the "best" just for respect and acclaim, well, I guess I can't really relate. I work towards goals for personal satisfaction, not pats on the back.

~Tashya~

>>I think you care entirely too much about what other people think. If your ego is that easily bruised, you chose the wrong guild. Guess I'm in the minority, but I could give a flying leap what other people think of Bards. Labels are for soup cans, and the ones who apply them I tend to ignore.

Is caring about this guild's reputation really a bad thing. Last time I checked, that's all we really have. You wouldn't want someone labeling you a liar when that's obviously false. Just the same, I do not want other people labeling our guild as worthless. If I'm "egotistical" for believing that, then so be it.

As for the power debate, just for clarification in case anyone thinks I'm of the opinion that the only "being powerful" that exists in general(outside of the game included) is the powerful that comes from being the better fighter, that is false. The context that I believe that "being powerful" only applies to fighting skill is here in DragonRealms(for the most part); which, I hope the Lore rewrite remedies.

In regards to DragonRealms, yes, I still stand by, "If you're weak, you're not powerful." That is what both I and my character believe. After all, what good is "being powerful" in DragonRealms if you're defeated, which is what everything boils down to; however, that is not to say that he does not respect everyone. Earning respect and being powerful are two totally different things in DragonRealms. In DragonRealms, the person with the largest stick always wins, either GMPC, or Province Leaders, or Player Characters. Why do you think all GMPC's are incredibly powerful combat wise? The "weak physically but powerful" character we idealize could hardly exist in DragonRealms, because they would be slaughtered in an instant. That is the logic of my saying.

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If Urwin was a GMPC and he commanded an army, that's all fine and dandy until someone like Tropicallo marches into his room and one-shots him. That would be the end. Until someone single handedly had enough combat skill to defeat Tropicallo, yes he would win, according to what I've seen.

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Something matters in DR besides combat power?

I didn't get the memo.
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Just a side message Galren... I don't know if you changed your last name to Rippentrop or not, but you're listed on the Ratha register as Galren Norim... Saw that yesterday.