Has there been any ideas about any weapon types that only barbarians can forge?

also did anything ever come out of the forging counter?

>Has there been any ideas about any weapon types that only barbarians can forge?

Not yet.

>also did anything ever come out of the forging counter?

No, and purposefully.

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>No reason other people should not have that option IMO.

I'm sorry, but while I generally would agree, katanas are a specific annoyance to me. The way people treat katanas as superswords and the often accompanying "I am NINJA/SAMURI!" bugs the heck out of me.

I'm not sure I'd say ban them (too late anyways), but I'd be happy if I never saw the word again in DR.

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It's my understanding that katanas will be considered a 'purple' type weapon. If someone ever has the chance to forge one, it will most likely be a single/limited use instruction option and not something easily obtained in order to prevent mass production.

>I can't speak for every player. But I myself don't want to see katanas as a normal (read: non-high-end auction) weapon because I'm tired of every joe idiot playing a ninja, a truly tired and tiring one dimensional character. It's also tied into anime/manga/etc. very deeply, which crosses genres in a way no one but a very skilled and dedicated RP'er will actually pull off as anything other than a Guts/Naruto/Bleach/Book-of-the-month ripoff.

Should I go through the dog and pony show of repeating this rant with a few key word changes to make it into an equally valid argument against longbows, or can we just agree that you have a very personal bias toward what is "valid" Fantasy that DR as a whole, thankfully, does not share?

The irony here is that keeping katana an extremely rare, high auction quality item ensures that they retain the mythical, drool-worthy status in DR that you seem to be against.

~ Pansophist Kougen

"Tell me thy company, and I'll tell thee what thou art." - Miguel de Cervantes

>>Should I go through the dog and pony show of repeating this rant with a few key word changes to make it into an equally valid argument against longbows, or can we just agree that you have a very personal bias toward what is "valid" Fantasy that DR as a whole, thankfully, does not share?

Say whatever you want about Drizzt (even though he doesn't actually use a longbow, I suppose), but Rangers use longbows, and Rangers are in the game. Ninjas are not.
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>>Probably want to rethink that.

There's nothing to rethink. Katanas would probably be terrible for backstabbing anyways. Terrible roleplayers are terrible roleplayers and will find ways to roleplay terribly no matter how many avenues for such exist to them.

I'm personally neutral on the katanas stance, but I tend to agree that their in-game mystique might die down if everyone could have one like a bastard sword.
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>>Katanas are a) heavy edged or two-handed edged, b) slashing weapons

I know this, I'm not sure why you're telling me this or what it has to do with any of my statements.

>>c) awesome for ambushing.

That's a silly claim. They do not receive some sort of bonus to ambushing; assuming you have sufficient stealth skill to ambush your target, any weapon would be great for ambushing, even a halberd or whatever other ridiculous weapon you might concoct. Unless by "awesome for ambushing" you mean you enjoy the mental image of it, in which case that is subjective and I don't wish to detract from your fun.

>>Besides, ninjas are a part of at least one guild's lore.

No, they're not. I don't mean "stealthy assassins or spies," I mean ninjas, specifically, referred to as ninjas in-game. While some in-game lore has derived elements of ninja lore, there's nothing you can point at and say "these as Dragonrealms ninjas," because Dragonrealms lacks the requisite combination of feudal system along with feudal Japanese notions of shame and honor.
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>>We need to get some tomahawks up this joint while we're at it.

Not until I can make a Gnome Bard who is a mad genius and invents a mana-powered laser cannon that attacks using alchemy ranks like TM ranks :(
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lol

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>Should I go through the dog and pony show of repeating this rant with a few key word changes to make it into an equally valid argument against longbows, or can we just agree that you have a very personal bias toward what is "valid" Fantasy that DR as a whole, thankfully, does not share?

In a midevil European style fantasy game, part and parcel of the genre is going to be elves and bows. I'm tired of them to, but at this point I can't rail against their addition. And honestly there's a difference. If only in pure numbers, I'd guess there are a few hundred times more stupid wannabe ninjas than wannabe drizzts.

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My hate for katanas come from the over hyped ninja lovin 80's and 90's but also from an OOC (out of context) point of view. For a game based solely on language, it makes no sense whatsoever for out characters to see an item from another culture based on a completely different language and instantly know the name. Since DR is based on medieval Europe, someone who was shown a katana would call it a sword. Its also my biggest complaint against racial weapons.
My human character doesnt speak rakash, elven, or gorbesh. If you show him a varda svidaw cirvi he will call it an axe.

>You are wearing a black cloth balaclava, a Katamba-black pack, a heavy black jacket with overlapping lapels secured with a black cotton belt, some fingerless black gloves, a Katamba-black sheath, some black trousers, and some split-toed black cloth boots.

I dont see the word ninja once. You are simply attaching your own OOC concept to a balaclava, jacket, gloves, trousers, and boots. Just because it looks like ninja attire doesnt mean it will be perceived as ninja attitre by characters who dont know what a "ninja" is.

>Besides, ninjas are a part of at least one guild's lore.

I would like to see the word ninja used in a guild's lore.

Ps. One of the better alterations I have seen was an altered bastard sword that had the perfect description of a katana but was still a "bastard sword" or maybe "long sword"

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>For a game based solely on language, it makes no sense whatsoever for out characters to see an item from another culture based on a completely different language and instantly know the name. Since DR is based on medieval Europe, someone who was shown a katana would call it a sword. Its also my biggest complaint against racial weapons.

Probably the only good argument in this thread. On the other hand, I could take this same argument to the logical extreme and lobby to have every scimitar, cutlass and claymore renamed "sword" as well. If the word is understood in English then it is a useful tool for describing the subtle differences in length, curvature and appearance that weapons come in without having to individually inspect every single one of them.

Katana is, in the strictest sense, applied to any kind of single-edged sword of any origin and doesn't necessarily refer to a Japanese sword. However, as a tool to invoke the image of a traditional samurai sword it's no worse than hundreds of things already in game that nobody bats an eye at. This is purely an issue of bias against one specific culture (which is already abundantly represented in game) and a certain sub-section of role players.

Raging against katanas makes about as much sense as trying to have silk, Champagne and Horse Clan removed from the game.

~ Pansophist Kougen

"Tell me thy company, and I'll tell thee what thou art." - Miguel de Cervantes

P.S. Ninjas didn't even use katanas.

I was kind of hoping this thread would be about something cool and related to its title. Like maybe... Can we expect to see high quality barbarian only weapons in the future? I've always been disappointed by the lack of high quality or nifty weapons with special abilities specifically for barbarians.

///P.S. Ninjas didn't even use katanas.///

So true, it was called a ninja-to. It had a straight edge ( great for backstabbing) was also used as a tool for climbing as well as many other tricks it had built into it, and was made to be thrown away if it had to be. Many of the ninjas sword techniques use power assists because these weapons were not made as Katanas were and because of that did not have the same crazy edge. This is a game..I started off with a character when I was young I wanted to be a "ninja" and found it to be much fun to just take those ideas and apply them to the already in game tools I had to play with built into the race I chose. A race I feel is partly designed after Japanese culture ( the Elotheans ).


I like racial weapons, the idea that these races have been dealing with each other for this long and don't know the common words used for each others items as we do now is silly. These races built and destroyed empires with and against each other but they have no clue what the names for a swords are? and you call yourself a warrior? like know thy enemy? Meh. Like I said this is a game, it's for fun and stupid people will do stupid things no matter what options they have, so limiting other peoples options to try and stop stupidity is probably not the best course of action to take. IMHO.


Heitak

P.S Just in case you don't speak S'Kra Heitak means Beast.

Weapon swung with such force and speed when swung it cuts through the air doing damage to people at pole range with a non pole weapon. Or even a special attack that could do this. Or maybe it disrupts magic in someway? Or a far higher chance to stun, or stuns past people with anti stun magic up, or negates or partially negates magic barriers? Maybe some kind of damage bonus or magic spell penetration. Just a bunch of ideas.


Heitak

the current "barbarian-only" weapons are such because they are "imbued with inner fire", at least the ones that have been sold in fests. perhaps barbarians will be able to do this themselves with a weapon if it is 'enchanted" by a barbarian.

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<<Hell, I might use the inner fire weapons if they functioned as a light source in darkly lit areas...>>

excellent idea.

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>The ability to parry spells or arrows would be pretty nifty on a barbarian weapon.

As a barbarian you can already parry arrows as long as you are at the range of your weapon... pole for greatswords/pikes/halberd, melee for the rest.

What I think would be awesome is to imbue a weapon with the ability to challenge parry vs. DFA spells, and possible send some damage back.

When I think of this, I imagine a hulking warrior from a book fighting a mage who's on a hill. The mage calls down a bolt of lightening(LB), and the warrior catches it with his sword, and swings it back to the mage. The mage has an equal change to dodge the spell.

Although I realize that MU would never go for such a thing, because after all...Barbarians, the masters of combat and everything to do with it, are already too good.......bunch of whiners.....

I'd like to see a DFA mundane weapon, like a new boomerang or something, that would function on the same mechanics as DFA spells in 3.0 (read: not broken, presumably, just an interesting niche weapon based on opponent type). Not necessarily Barbarian-only, I'd just like to see more done with normal weapons. Nets/whips to entangle based on throwing ranks, etc.
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