Beiswurms, then perhaps rams. The multi is the thing that will be a problem with backtraining.

Now- it is possible to cap out- or almost cap out- the wurms and go from there to blood wolves.

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You could either move between raiders and bristlebacks for MO or you could easily handle 3 celpeze while using a dance or berserk with an MO bonus (just to be safe.)

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I would move to celpeze if I were you. I hope your skinning is up to par.

40 is on the low side, but I think if you use your abilities you'll manage with a few. And yes, 330 skinning should be enough to learn well there.

Multi will be your only problem, as I was hunting Celpeze with sub-400 in all defenses. I don't like the southern barricade so much, mainly because it was hard(for me) to move multi back when I had 370ish ranks(at the time I needed 3 consistent celpeze in order to learn as well as I wanted). The north barricade is simply a dream, but you need to be packing some heavy Multi-O in order to take the swarms.

Personally, I'm sticking with raiders until either I get into the mid 400's in multi or it caps out before then. 5 ranks to 400 and going strong.

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>>The north barricade is far from ideal for most people, as exciting as it may be.

What?? An endless hoard of opponents to fight? That's the kind of thing dreams are made out of...

Or at least, that's what mine are made out of. :(

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The point I was trying to make is that there's no need to wait to move straight to the north barricade area. And even when you can safely handle 4 celpeze at melee it still isn't necessarily ideal if you're sleeping half the time because of too much defensive experience.

I went the other route.

I went from 1 to 2 and 3 celpeze in the south barricade to 3 and 4 in the north barricade. Now I need 4 celpeze to learn all skills effeciently.

I have also expereinced several Celpeze up and down tweaks through my years hunting celpeze.

So far no other hunting ground has the feel of celpeze...

I have never used sleep to train in celpeze...If I lock up everything. I just hop across the river and backtrain stuff.

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You are almost in the same exact boat I am in.

40 reflex
358 multi
461 parry
443 evasion
365 light chain (backtraining to replace leather)
436 medium edge

Raiders is the only place I can train all of my skills and feel confident I won't get rolled by a zoha crit. I'd suggest staying in raiders until you hit 400 multi.

Vagle

Just an FYI 'zoah crits' were removed a long time ago. What you are probably referring to are open rolls.

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All I am saying is that celps have a much higher open roll chance than raiders do. To date I've died twice in raiders in about 60 days time. One death was to a broadsword the second to an unarmed raider. I cannot recall ever going a day without dying twice when hunting celps.

Vagle

Celpeze are just like Black Leucros--When they hit, they hurt. I avoided black leucros specifically because of this, but I'm afraid celpeze are just too good in the defense/offense training department.

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>I've got a strange feeling a capped Naming of Tears might be the winner in celps, judging by how many people complain of one-hit kills in there.

Well, a capped Cage of Light didn't eliminate my deaths, but everything helps.

>>Curious, but roughly at what skill level did you exactly leave raiders at? I currently live for four raiders--in fact, I wish more would engage me. Just crossed 400 multi, and all of my defenses are above 410 with Evasion near the mid 400's.

430's defenses and 400 multi. It was insanely painful getting to that point. 40 reflexes and badger dance and I was surviving just fine with 4 in the north barricade.

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>>The Rippentropps are a mysterious collective of well-known individuals whose primary charge is to initiate the advancing task of not stopping.

For myself 450 shield/HP, 340 evasion, 360 parry, 340 multi and every paladin buffer spell in our arsenal max casted. (only takes 6 minutes or so to spellup like that) I was able to actively be killing while all 4 were on at melee but after a bit that injuries did mount up. It took about 20-30 ranks to be more comfortable. Was working with 40 reflex.


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Awesome--Thanks for the info!

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