<<<I actually didn't start giving you hell until you let your ignorance and (incredibly ill placed) ego show. Other than that I was trying to prevent you from spawning bad habits in people.


I can do it right now so I am. I'll concede the fact that I probably wont be able to at higher levels... I still think I might be able to though.

heres the proof

stance
You are currently using 0% of your evasion skill.
You are currently using 100% of your weapon parry skill.
You are currently using 81% of your shield block skill.
You are attacking with 100% of your offensive skill.

Last Combat Maneuver: Parry
>ass
>
You've gained a new rank in maneuvering in leather armor.
>
* Moving well, a blood wolf claws at you. You block with a crocodile-skin buckler.
[You're solidly balanced with opponent in strong position.]
>
* Attacking well, a blood wolf pounces, gnashing hungrily at you. You block with a crocodile-skin buckler.
[You're solidly balanced with opponent in superior position.]
>
* Moving well, a blood wolf pounces, gnashing hungrily at you. You block with a crocodile-skin buckler.
[You're solidly balanced with opponent dominating.]
>
You assess your combat situation...

You (solidly balanced) are facing a blood wolf (3) at melee range.
A blood wolf (1: nimbly balanced) is behind you at melee range.
A blood wolf (2: nimbly balanced) is behind you at melee range.
A blood wolf (3: incredibly balanced) is facing you at melee range.
A blood wolf (4: incredibly balanced) is flanking you at melee range.

(You are also defending against a blood wolf.)
>
* Attacking well, a blood wolf pounces, gnashing hungrily at you. You counter the teeth with a scimitar.
[You're solidly balanced with opponent in good position.]
>
* Moving with grace, a blood wolf pounces, gnashing hungrily at you. You slap away the teeth with a scimitar.
[You're solidly balanced with opponent in good position.]
>
* Moving strongly, a blood wolf leaps, drool running from its deadly teeth at you. You repulse the teeth with a scimitar.
[You're solidly balanced with opponent in excellent position.]
>
* Moving well, a blood wolf leaps, drool running from its deadly teeth at you. You block with a crocodile-skin buckler.
[You're solidly balanced with opponent in strong position.]
>
* Moving well, a blood wolf claws at you. You block with a crocodile-skin buckler.
[You're solidly balanced with opponent dominating.]
>
* With strength, a blood wolf leaps, drool running from its deadly teeth at you. You block with a crocodile-skin buckler.
[You're solidly balanced with opponent in very strong position.]
>
* Moving with grace, a blood wolf claws at you. You knock aside the claw with a scimitar.
[You're solidly balanced with opponent in excellent position.]
>
* Thaesaer was just struck down!
>
* Saesys was just struck down!
>
* Moving well, a blood wolf pounces, gnashing hungrily at you. You counter the teeth with a scimitar.
[You're solidly balanced with opponent in good position.]
>
* Attacking forcefully, a blood wolf claws at you. You block with a crocodile-skin buckler.
[You're solidly balanced and opponent has slight advantage.]
>
* Moving well, a blood wolf claws at you. You block with a crocodile-skin buckler.
[You're solidly balanced with opponent in good position.]
>
* Moving with grace, a blood wolf claws at you. You turn aside the claw with a scimitar.
[You're solidly balanced with opponent in excellent position.]
>
Shield Usage: 107 31% mind lock (34/34) Leather Armor: 97 00% mind lock (34/34)
Light Chain: 95 78% mind lock (34/34) Heavy Chain: 79 95% very riveted (29/34)
Cloth Armor: 81 40% nearly locked (33/34) Bone Armor: 88 90% enthralled (32/34)
Parry Ability: 109 84% mind lock (34/34) Multi Opponent: 106 91% mind lock (34/34)

<<Reading comprehension FTL. :(>>

Especially on the comprehension part.

- Simon

<<<LOL. Again. Level/Circle on the whole has nothing to do with this, it was brought up in the first place (especially at circle 16) as an indicator of lower ranks(overall not in relation to circle).


you guys are just dumb for real. I have 100 fricking evasion on top of 107 shield/parry so what if your right I'll stance to evasion/shield or parry/evasion big fricking deal... the whole point im trying to make is I can still learn parry with shield RIGHT now in situations where parry and evasion would get me killed. Get a clue people. When I actually do have to start using evasion my multi and parry will be far ahead of the curve because of what Im doing right now.

heres another double post... just to further clarify myself if i was to put my stance to 100 parry 81 evasion or 100 evasion 81 parry.. 4 blood wolves would kill be in seconds if I couldnt berserk.

<<When I actually do have to start using evasion my multi and parry will be far ahead of the curve because of what Im doing right now.

Yeah, this isn't correct no matter how you look at it.

If you're saying that having your parry/shield being equal to or slightly greater than your evasion is 'ahead of the curve...' well I hate to break it to you, but that's the norm. You're not accomplishing anything special here, and others are doing it better because they have an effectively better defense while doing it. (Exceptions occur with much older characters who trained under different combat systems and as a result neglected one defense, usually shield in this case.)

If you're saying that you will have much greater parry/shield than evasion down the line because of your training method... well, that would require training your parry/shield in a higher hunting area than your evasion because of learning caps along with neglecting your evasion to over-train your other defenses. And eventually you're going to have to get your evasion caught up anyway to even be able to handle the higher hunting areas, since parry/shield alone aren't enough to defend with at experience-granting ranks once you reach a certain point. Its inefficient and loses out in the long-term.

-Evran

Crackling with unspent rage since 386A.V.

<<<If you're saying that having your parry/shield being equal to or slightly greater than your evasion is 'ahead of the curve...' well I hate to break it to you, but that's the norm. You're not accomplishing anything special here, and others are doing it better because they have an effectively better defense while doing it. (Exceptions occur with much older characters who trained under different combat systems and as a result neglected one defense, usually shield in this case.)>>



OMG Im not neglecting NOTHING

jag is 17 days old

16 circle

100+evasion/shield/parry

I can hold 4 bloodwolves with using shield/parry.
which lets me lock parry and multi and than swap to shield/evasion so I can learn evasion. You can miss with frantically killing one or two everytime a third or fourth spawn. Im content with letting my armors, parry and multi lock up alot faster with holding four.

I can not use parry/evasion and hold 4 YET. I DONT fricking know why this is its just the way it is and IM not complaining because I CAN still hold four BUT as soon as I can hold four with parry/evasion I WILL alright! but until than IM using shield/parry so I can utilize a good multi learning hunting area with a decent spawn rate. Holding two to lock parry/evasion is just unacceptable nonsense when i can lock parry, shield, evasion, 6 armors and multi alot faster by using shield/parry and swapping to shield/evasion while holding 4.

<<Im not even sure I know who you are but im if you are who i think you are dude you were scared to spar me back than even though you'll never admit it now.

Back then, my character was Slaris. I have never been afraid to spar my text dude. I'd spar you now with my new text dude. I've only been back a month.

It's ridiculously hard to find people around 20th to spar.

>>I can not use parry/evasion and hold 4 YET. I DONT fricking know why this is its just the way it is

My guess is when you stance evasion/parry, your multi-armor penalty negates your evasion to the point of you getting hammered on....that's just my guess. Try using just your highest armor with evasion/parry?


Vote DR as TOP MUD: http://www.topmudsites.com/vote-cemm.html

<<Yes and no. Our plan was for me to lead and you to roar. I led. You stood there and Occhi took you out. I took out 2 others, and whatever that thief was we had (forgot his name) got one. That was an under 40th group, and we all knew Occhi was over -- GM's didn't do anything about it or didn't know. That event was right after the Poshly/Christian fights in Arthe dale. There was no way I was in a 40th group then because I specifically remember circling that day to get extra reflex (it was a plan!).


You were slaris or Sladdron? I still dont remember who you were and no it wasnt a under 40th circle bracket. Occhi had been over 40th for over 2 years by that time. Darthanyo had been 42nd for over a year sitting inactive again. I had barely reactivating him again about 2 months before the kaith kirm. This is what went down though I did cost us that match because I didnt roar kaith. I got took out within the first 30 seconds because the entire other team targeted me first. I got IPed and kaith rushed by two barbarians while you guys did nothing. But whatever think or claim whatever you want. You got taken out about 20 seconds after me though.

<<my guess is soloman is right you need 120 parry, evasion and multi to hold 4 blood wolves while stanced with parry and evasion.>>

Not my experience, that's all I'll say on that. Do whatever works for you though.

<<KK stuff>>

Organize another one and have a grudge match or something. Those tournaments were before my time in DR but it seems like a solid idea for a good time to me.

---

I find it odd that you can be surrounded by both a mantle of flame and blades of ice.

Shush, it's magic.. suspend your disbelief

If you are carrying all these armors and 14 different weapons at 16th circ I would imagine you have encumberance, which will also effect your evasion as you are already slow at that low circle. Everyone that has said evasion is HUGE at higher ranks/lvl fighting is exactly right. I can stance evasion/shield and hunt over lvl but if I throw parry into the mix I get hammered and thats with parry as my highest defense. Parry shield may work for you with kiddie stuff but you are going to get slaughtered later on.

just for comparison to your reasoning
Shield 363
MO 323
LC 394
Evasion 375
Parry 380

C

so you're carrying 6 sets of armor and 14 weapons that added up equals a 7th set of armor in weight and can't figure out why evasion isn't working better then parry?

>If you are carrying all these armors and 14 different weapons at 16th circ I would imagine you have encumberance, which will also effect your evasion as you are already slow at that low circle. Everyone that has said evasion is HUGE at higher ranks/lvl fighting is exactly right. I can stance evasion/shield and hunt over lvl but if I throw parry into the mix I get hammered and thats with parry as my highest defense. Parry shield may work for you with kiddie stuff but you are going to get slaughtered later on.

This, pretty much. Do whatever works at low circles, just know that parry/stance does not remain viable.

And since we're justifying our statements with exp pastes... Total Ranks: 36249

>>what is that 40% of my tdps have come from everything Im training. I would do the numbers for 16 weapons skills, 6 armors for 40th/60th circle but that would probably just piss more people off as well.

Hint: Nobody cares how many things you're training, or how many TDPs you'll have because of it. They do care when you are encouraging people to develop bad habits with their stance.

Keep on trucking and stay in school.

>Time to switch stances? :)

Ive already started to get hit while holding 3 - 4 marauders so yes im already starting to use shield/evasion and parry/evasion more.

and I got hit by a earthquake tremor effect because someone was afk scripting ht. As I entered the room the critter set off a area effect ability. :( the person didnt see me dead for about 5 minutes as well lol

Oh, do it Rmel, yes if only to shut him up already.

Rallyne

>>I will check suspect geni users constantly and If you dont respond to me or anyone else in the contest in game you forfeit and lose. This is a bet about whos better at training not whos scripts are better. We can goto TF (where afk scriptors and 90% of geni users belong IMO)

LOL at all the genie hate. Did Genie steal your lunch money or something?

---

TG, TG, GL, et al.
Also: Moo.

I use Stormfront anyway.

No way in hell I'm rerolling Rmel.

Yes, I'd outfit my noob with whatever gear I feel is necessary.

By tag-team training, I assume you mean having someone else train the noob when I'm not playing? No worries there; nobody has my passwords but me.

You do realize that this ultimately only proves who has more time to train, correct?

>> You (collectively) realize this ultimately only proves nothing at all.

Yada yada. Text means nothing so ultimately we are wasting our lives anyways. Oh, we all die too so ultimately nothing is worth anything ever.

<<I said 90% not 100%.

Poser pro-tip: Always leave yourself a back door so you can backpedal your way out of a statement.

-Evran

Crackling with unspent rage since 386A.V.