Yeah, I also had no idea this was a thing.

>to be honest currently endgame pvp only works if the two parties basically agree to not leave the room.


I think this is true of all ranges of PvP. Maybe it's time for some mechanic to prevent moving rooms based on PvP actions?

Wail of Torment :Fear vs Fortitude
Kuniyo's Strike : Power vs Reflex

This in itself might be the reason to get both roars as if one doesn't land the other might based on the contested stats. This makes the timer irrelevant in regards to why have both.

Rhadyn da Dwarb - Blood for fire!

Because you don't know your opponents abilities.

Kuniyo's Strike : Power vs Reflex
Offense
Power : Strength/Stamina/Discipline
Defense
Reflexes : Reflex/Agility/Intelligence

Wail of Torment : Fear vs Fortitude
Offense
Fear : Charisma/Strength/Discipline
Defense
Fortitude : Stamina/Discipline/Strength

Note: This is not about end game when everyone has 100+ in all but more as you move up.
Over time different guilds focus on different stats (in general). Having the flexibility to switch between contested stats is very beneficial. Maybe it's just me because I train (generally) all stats up to an equal amount it makes sense. However, if you don't train Charisma (mistake IMO) then you'd want Strike over Wail.

Remember you can forget abilities by end game to reconfigure what your roars are. I'd think if you want to PVP up to about 170th circle then you'd want both roars depending on who you are fighting. If you are Gor'Tog then you have the luxury of get Kuniyo's Roar only perhaps. Other races, not so much.

If I had to choose only one (which I have now after being able to respec a couple of times) I'd choose Wail of Torment and train Charisma even with other stats because most everyone trains Reflex/Agility/Intelligence over Stamina/Discipline/Strength when you average out their stats. And this coming from a Dwarf with high Str/Sta/Dis because the contest fails more often with Strike. But those times when it doesn't, the rule of PVP is he/she who stuns/immobilizes more wins.

Rhadyn da Dwarb - Blood for fire!

But if you train even stats, the "you" is STRONGEST in both.

I'm starting to see that this is about me and how I train stats and not a general player based concept. Sorry to waste people's time.

Rhadyn da Dwarb - Blood for fire!