I have waited over a year to ask this question:

How come barbarians have 0 roars that cause physical damage?

Deaths' shriek used to cause damage. I think the guild needs the supernatural set to have at least one roar cause some form of physical damage. Maybe one that causes damage to the head, making the defender bleed from the nose and ears. Another successful landing would cause the eyes to bleed.

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If I had to guess, it would be because we don't have access to TM. Remember the uproar when bards got vocals-based damage?

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Any damaging abilities would have to use TM. It is the new rule. We could always make up some new skill in place of TM I guess, but I'm not sure anyone would find it fun or interesting to train.

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>Do any of the thief ambushes cause damage?

Several. And they require melee, usually require hiding, and a weapon/item in hand. They contest and train stealth and weapons, as they are not ranged damage dealers, aside from snipe.

>Does this mean damaging berserks are off the table also?

Out of curiosity, what would a damaging berserk look like, aside from one which required weapons like whirlwind?

Kodius, what if you went to do the damaging roar, had to hold a weapon in hand (any weapon), successfully hit and pass the SvS check... could that work?

While holding your heavy mace, you focus more than just metal on your opponent. With a furious swing, you unleash a cry that resonates with your weapon, releasing a deafening scream at your opponent. The mace lands a strong hit to Codiax's right arm, and the rage of your roar causes blood to pour from his ears and nose.

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"Brace yourselves, Squanto is going to bleh blah fart fart bleh.." -the player of the character formerly known as Pureblade

I honestly don't really care to go that route, but if that's what the new guidelines require, unless a new skill is required (targeted rage?), I guess I am just tossing ideas out there that fit with what can be done. I would be okay with a new skill, though, that is supernaturally TMish.

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"Brace yourselves, Squanto is going to bleh blah fart fart bleh.." -the player of the character formerly known as Pureblade

>>it was taken away when they decided to take away damage for whatever reason.

The reason was that it was horribly broken and didn't have a skill check (instead it had a stat check, which they didn't like).

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>>Makes sense - at least now there is a skill to contest.

If roars work like 3.0 screams, it would be via TM. Damaging attacks fall outside the scope of what debilitation does.

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>>They could take a page from the thief book and include a weapon check. Make you have to hold a weapon in hand, or contest brawling, or something.

I don't see anything wrong with barbarian special moves that use weapons, but those wouldn't be roars. If anything, those would be expertise/maneuver moves, right?

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