Any chance we can revisit dragon having the same functionality as the new Ranger spell, since we were given a negative on it boosting weapons held in the offhand in the past? It is about to be released at the same slot cost as Dragon. I know magic 3.2 will have things upended a bit, not so much questioning why, but this is something we've needed for a while and Rangers are actually getting.

For reference, the post of Oath of the Firstborn: http://forums.play.net/forums/13/110/646/post?reply_to=1794105

>Man, everyone gets weapon buffs eh.

Every guild except for Traders, Clerics, and Bards have a buff to at least one weapon. Though Bards get increased accuracy and can improve top two stats of a weapon.

>Every guild except for Traders, Clerics, and Bards have a buff to at least one weapon. Though Bards get increased accuracy and can improve top two stats of a weapon.

Clerics can permanently memorize Righteous Wrath. Bards can permanently memorize Tailwind for a ranged buff, and also have Rage of the Clans, which is basically a better version of +weaponskill. I admit to not knowing until now that MoF was adjusted to be a +MeleeWeaponSkill buff! Moon Mages can't perm learn anything, but still have sorcery options, that will also be available to Traders once Trader Magic is released.

So, yeah, really, MUs sure do seem to have encroached on almost everything Barbs have, and I say that as someone who doesn't think Barbs have it that bad.

> very guild except for Traders, Clerics, and Bards have a buff to at least one weapon.

Maybe you're thinking of flat skills, but all guilds have (or have planned) a way to interact with weapons to increase their damage.

* Resonance buffs the balance / suitedness of a weapon held in the hand.

* Technically, bless is a flat damage buff against undead. Cast on a weapon.

Traders [may] get to buff crafting tools instead of weapons, which is nice, I think.

1) +Weapon skill isn't new for Rangers. It's the old Claws of the Cougar spell since that got split in 3.2 (and new functionality added to Claws of the Cougar).

2) While it does boost two weapon skills at once if you have an offhand weapon in use but in MOST scenarios this is actually fairly limited (Since the Rangers can only use small edge/small blunt and some staves offhand). It doesn't boost offhand weapon skill either. It also can't boost brawling. So this is really only functional different in a small slice of scenarios, I included it more for flavor than anything else. A Barbarian having the same logic would get more functionality out of it. (Note: The logic of the spell is going to be changing a little to more closely match the description I have here than how it's working on Test.)

3) I'm not opposed to Barbarians getting the same sort of logic, but it's not a discussion I've had and I'll defer to Kodius on it.

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>>I think MUs need more restrictions, I think sorcery is too potent.

A cleric using RW or a Bard using TW isn't Sorcery.

My point wasn't that you could access them through using other guild's spells but through native means.

<<Yes, given that +WeaponSkill buffs seem to be taking the route of also buffing the weapon held in the lefthand, please consider updating Dragon to match.

A single spell does not a trend make, although I do agree that Dragon getting this addition would be in line with the Barbarian guild.

<<Got my wires crossed. Invoked scrolls still represent access to the buff, and it is easily accessible to all MUs accordingly. If you want to call that whining, thats your prerogative.

I was just pointing out your misconception with that, nothing more.

<<So, yeah, really, MUs sure do seem to have encroached on almost everything Barbs have

This is where the GvG whining was.

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<<Man, everyone gets weapon buffs eh.
<<MUs sure do seem to have encroached on almost everything Barbs have

This is not discussing abilities. It is literally just whining.

<< We had asked about something similar, since whirl has a quite limited effectiveness as it stands, and seeing this release just made me think the concept could be revisited.

This is an example of not whining. More posts like this please.

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<<I 100% agree with these statements.

I also agree, as exhibited by the good example I pointed out illustrating how to effectively talk about other guild abilities in context of your own guild's abilities.

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I disagree.

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No, it's ok - I post too frequently and whine too often, so pointing out an issue I saw with Barbarian abilities was just GvG whining. I'm being completely passive aggressive here. That other comment, the one that made sense, I totally haven't also said that.

Sorry, didn't mean to Necro this months-old thread, but I was going to post a new thread suggesting Dragon Dance accommodate two weapon buffs at once since I'm a big fan of dual whirl.

Seems from the previous thread OftF does and DD doesn't. Don't much care about that, I just think it would be cool if DD did allow for offhand shenanigans, and it fits right into the Barbarian wheelhouse.

Haha, a NMU guild having something as good as a MU guild, don't be silly.

I posted a suggestion that Dragon should act like Eagle in another thread, meaning... Eagle buffs ALL ranged weapons so why doesn't Dragon act the same way? If Dragon just buffed all melee/pole weapon skills then it wouldn't matter what hand you held the weapon in. "Simple" solution to a silly problem for offhand melee weapon use.

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>>suggestion that Dragon should act like Eagle in another thread, meaning... Eagle buffs ALL ranged weapons so why doesn't Dragon act the same way? If Dragon just buffed all melee/pole weapon skills then it wouldn't matter what hand you held the weapon in. "Simple" solution to a silly problem for offhand melee weapon use.

I recall when the big changeover was done, this was requested. The answer was something..something..too many buffs at once which is why the melee boosters (Dragon, Righteous Wrath, etc) are all pulsing, self updating type buffs. While I agree it would be a bit easier to utilize if it boosted them all, I suspect there's a tech reason behind it not doing so.

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Why not just make Dragon do a check for if there is a weapon in the offhand or not. If so, make it buff offhand and that weapon, as well. Currently, it checks what weapon is in the right hand, so I can't see why this would be unreasonable or difficult to add.

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I would opt for it to be a mastery - forms are our tightest ability set, by far.

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The more I think of it, the less I like the idea of it being linked to dragon or a mastery. I really wish you could rework the Inner Fire system to start with the passive regen cap at 50% without Powermonger and 100% with Powermonger. After 5 years of this system, I am not seeing any value in a useless giant right hand side of /. I'd also like to see us be able to stack more abilities like MUs. Please open up how much stuff we can run.

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>>Masteries are too expensive.

>> Kodius - proposed a 1 slot mastery.


So that should be cheap?


>>I think that boosting the offhand weapon should be included in the dragon form, at no extra cost

Slot costs are based on a universal formula that is shared with MUs and NMUs. It changes periodically and so I go through and spend a few weeks updating all the abilities, but we do try very hard to keep everything in lockstep.

In this case, each skill boosted is generally a cost of 1-slot. So boosting Offhand and the second weapon skill would increase the cost by 2 slots, but I might be able to argue that Offhand is bad enough to ignore.

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I don't get this quite fully. So if Eagle boosts all ranged weapon skills, no matter what hand they are used in (thrown can be off hand) why would making Dragon boost all melee weapon skills, no matter what hand they are used in, need to change? FORM EAGLE. EXP MODS. All ranged weapons. FORM DRAGON. EXP MODS. Only the weapon in your right hand.

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