Might want to take a look at Swan form, our trees, and low circle people. Using scripts I can move warding fine with research, but, new players hitting the 140ish range (could be a bit less, just going off what I'm at now) are going to have issues. At 148 warding, Swan doesn't move my warding in the slightest bit. My barb is 27th so there's not a lot of options with the way our trees are set up, picked up Serenity, for now, for when I'm not in combat and not scripting but it drains a lot of IF. Research works great when it's scripted, if not scripted then it's on the annoying side (not your fault Kodi, I know, you gotta do what the man tells ya to do).

As I said, I can move it fine with research, but new players, trying to juggle our tree very well could get pretty frustrated. Just a thought was all. Serenity and Bastion aren't great for training (having to sit down and all), that leaves toad which would mean backing totally out of one tree to go pick it up.

Warding: 149 30% (32/34) +0.91

I'm not a huge barbarian yet, only 35th. I've never used anything but swan to train warding so far, might have to change it up as I progress but so far it works perfectly fine, I like to lock it up before I go hunting then research after every couple of kills, keeps it flowing easily.

Maybe this isn't intended:

Using form Swan with 526 warding.

Put up swan, wait 70 seconds gain 3 mindstates
Put up bear, wait the same 70 seconds learn equal amounts of augmentation
Do mediate research swan wait a few seconds gain 2 mindstates
Mediate research tenacity and serenity both gain 2 mindstates even though they are diffferent tiers.
Repeat and IF, Aug, and warding are locked in about 10 minutes and forget about it for a couple of hours because it takes that long to drain.

I have no idea when swan will stop training.

Does the ability you use MEDITATE RESEARCH on affect the experience gained (not type but amount) at all?

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I think being tertiary in magic, we just have low circle reqs in that skill set.

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>Out of curiosity with the complete barb ability redo what was the reasoning behind giving barbs so little in the "magic" skills that now drive our abilities?

Two reasons:

1) We're magic tert, we're going to have to live with it.
2) Barbarian abilities don't scale with skill like magic. First they cap power, then they cap duration. So in many ways, less skill is less painful, but more skill is less useful.

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>>Spells aren't terribly dissimilar, mages just add mana instead of raw rankage.

Spells grow on a different curve than Barbarian abilities. Both Potency and Duration are pretty dissimilar to how Barbarian abilities grow.

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<<Spells grow on a different curve than Barbarian abilities. Both Potency and Duration are pretty dissimilar to how Barbarian abilities grow.>>

Ok, I'll bite since I'm young stupid barb--how do barb abilities grow in potency and duration? And having asked that, are there any stats that can contribute to our abilities?

Oh and would someone please poke Olwydd to update his circle calculator or point me to an updated one? I know I only have to train expertise and just 2 weapons, but I like to see how far ahead I am in training per circle.

Thanks. And uh in case I didn't express thanks, thanks to all the GMs but especially Kodius for all the work. Thanks is too feeble to say but I hope I will be able to show how much thanks I have by playing my barb to the every end.

Shinarah

A Basic Form might take 300 IF ranks to cap the IF passive-regen limit reduction, and 400 ranks to cap the pulse reduction. Then 200 ranks to cap the potency from Aug skill and 400 ranks to cap the duration from Aug skill.

An Esoteric ability might take 500/1200 IF skill and 500/12000 Aug skill.

I think the hardest abilities are Berserk Volcano and Tsunami, both taking 1500 ranks to cap the duration on.

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Thank you, Kodius, for answering my question. That was exactly the info I was after. ::glares at Kroonermanrevenge::

Now as for circle calculators, I am hoping someone will take the initiative and either ask Olwydd for his calculator and update or make one. They are way too useful to let "die". And I'm not the only one who uses them so please don't be snarky to me.

Shinarah

I don't know offhand. They use the same Buffing Core that all abilities and magic use, so you aren't gaining/losing in comparison to everyone else in the game at least :P I suspect there is a minimum 10 rank bonus provided you have at least 1 rank in that skill.

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Ah good, thanks guys.

Samsaren