I have to admit, I was never all that impressed with Dragon Dance.

Until I had to make the jump from baby celps to bigger ones. Wow, does it make life easier.

Wowwy wow wow whoo.

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<<Until I had to make the jump from baby celps to bigger ones.>>

Derail: If by bigger celps you mean super celpeze, I found them to be far worse for training than juvie dillos. On top of the overcrowding they tend to hit harder, die too easily, and don't train escaping. If you haven't tried dillos yet you should give them a shot.

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This isn't HuggleFurSnuggleKissySmoochRealms.

>The great thing is, it is TOTALLY within global caps.

That really is great.

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>describe boar
It's a boar. It doesn't like you.

Drevid, I left my agil and reflexs WAY behind my other stats. I am in the process of changing that, much as I dislike moving away from the "way of the Dwarf". The boost of 8+ agil and reflex do me MUCH good.

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>>Can't dance it forever like every other dance.

You might not be able to but it's possible.

Sure it's possible, if over hunting and high discipline, doesn't mean it's the best thing to do.

>>Sure it's possible, if over hunting and high discipline, doesn't mean it's the best thing to do.

I'm not over hunting, I don't even think that's possible since i'm about 50 ranks from capping dillos in my main weapons.

>>The great thing is, it is TOTALLY within global caps.

>That really is great.

hehe

>It's not the best buff for every situation. I'd use eagle for stick bow training, panther for stealths. Being the best overall buff doesn't necessarily equate to being the best buff for every situation.

Of course. But the post I was quoting seemed to imply that there was some downside to back-to-back dragon dancing.

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>describe boar
It's a boar. It doesn't like you.

>I hear that characters with light-colored skin have more trouble dancing. Can anyone confirm this?

LOL.


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The typical dragon dance thread. Oh well, not like any other discussion are going on in here.

So...does dragon dance break global caps on individual stats\ranks or is it just the magic resistance part?

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>So...does dragon dance break global caps on individual stats\ranks or is it just the magic resistance part?

I think it's important to keep in mind that the term "global caps" is a bit of a misnomer to begin with. There's no actual mechanic to impose a global cap if an ability exceeds it. As an example, I offer the offensive debuff bug. It can be triggered a few different ways, including a bugged fear effect and renewing the offensive cleric commune. When it is in effect, all attacks can be reduced to 0 skill for hours. If there was any kind of global cap on a debuff it would kick in and say -195% offensive skill is too high.

But having a cap on a buff makes sense. The problem is, the cap was never really well defined. Some buffs are straight rank buffs, while others are percentage-based. The percentage-based ones blow away the rank based buffs in the endgame, but still fall under the supposed cap.

Historically, there's also been an issue of GMs that were too generous with their own guild abilities. The barbarian guild in particular was notorious for this, but is not the only example. So if the cap was 100 ranks or a 10% buff PER skill, you create a buff that is at that cap for as many skills as possible.

Now, if you compare dragon dance to any individual spell, it blows it away. However, the counterpoint is that there's almost no limit to the amount of spells and CJs that a mage can have active at once. The counter-counter point is that it isn't practical to keep 15 different spells from different guilds up at once. But the point is, you can't really directly compare one guild ability to another. How can you equate attunement loss from spell casting with IF loss from dancing?

This isn't to say that effort shouldn't be made in bringing abilities in line with one another. You just need to remember that right now global caps exist in theory only. And talking about caps isn't nearly as productive as talking about balance, in my opinion.

Dragon dance presents its own development challenge to the barbarian guild as well, since it trumps all lesser abilities, which is why the rewrite will happen some day.

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>describe boar
It's a boar. It doesn't like you.

I'm just going to repeat what GMs have said.

The problem with dragon dance isn't the amount that it boosts, its the sheer quantity of stuff that it boosts.

Other abilities can boost individual stuff slightly higher (albeit not much higher). But its the fact that dragon dance boosts just about every combat skill including things that aren't even coded into the system yet. Its also lackluster when its first available, but becomes rather insane on the deep end of skills.

The whole system needs a rewrite to properly function in order for it to be brought in line with the rest of Dragonrealms.

Thief Khri is a good example of this, before it was one Khri up at a time with some given multiple boosters, now its multiple khri with each having its unique affect that supplement eachother.

Berserks do this on the lower end, and it works rather well.


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<<Other abilities can boost individual stuff slightly higher (albeit not much higher). >>

REALLY? Dragon dance boost stam, strenght, agil and reflexes 8 or 9 each. Bear boosts stam and strenght 18 or so and Panther boost reflex and agil 15 each. I have tested these a while ago with a mirror blade and pounding in a forge.

Zero RT in the forge requires a 70 strenght. So pound without dancing, check rt, dance and the pound again (both with full stamia) and the difference is the boost of the dance.

A mirror blade improves ever 20 in a stat agil and strenght. So as you train up you can app dance and app again and see what the boost is, just takes a number of trainings to get the number here.




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Kertig Heart Magdar Bluefletch, Legendary Barbarian of M'Riss

>>REALLY? Dragon dance boost stam, strenght, agil and reflexes 8 or 9 each.

Skills, not necessarily stats. Some of the khri have higher boosts, for example, but are often one-shot or whatever.

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