Anyone noticing anything wonky with IF since the game came back up? I collapsed twice so far since and it has never happened before. So I am thinking that the active recovery from killing things has changed or that the berserks are sapping more than they should?

I'm going to pay attention and make sure I am full IF before I start this next time, but seriously i haven't so much as kneeled from the berserks I use blood + cyclone in months while actively killing.


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I actually noticed this with the higher end serks before the move. Flame usd to last a good 2 minutes, now its down to just over 30 seconds. Bad time to learn this in the middle of a spar. Steel as well. The others I will have to test since I dance while hunting.

I am a berserking barbarian and generally stick to stone only. If something stronger moves into my room and engages I'll add in berserk blood to kill it. I never have any issues at all with my times or inner fire levels with them. Never been stunned, fallen, etc.

We came back the other day from the game being down and I decided to try out a stone/blood/cyclone combo. Went for a good while, then collapsed while fighting four critters. Managed to berserk stone out of the stun (was getting pummeled), kill the creatures, and retreat in time to collapse again.

Not sure if it was something I would have had an easier time with before or not, but I'll definitely stick to a two out of three concept from now on.

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Yeah Cyclone probably saps more than blood/stone/nightmare combined. I wish I would of wrote down a few things about them but I didn't to prove if I am just making myself believe something changed or not.


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OK, maybe I am going crazy here, but I am almost positive now that something changed with Bear Dance too.

I think the Strength boost stayed the same but something has changed with the Stamina boost. I have been doing stuff in the forge for the past week and while pounding I noticed my fatigue drops lower than it used to.

I haven't trained any stats and nothing has changed....not sure why training a stat would decrease the stamina boost from Bear anyways...

Hmm I might be able to sort of prove this with a log, let me did something up.....


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Not that I was paying that much attention beforehand, but I haven't noticed any changes on my end. Badger and Eagle still do their job while hunting, and Dragon seems to be the same as always in PvP.

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I completely agree with the Cyclone being dropped in IF usage...ive been able to use Flame w/o a stun but after many tries i havent had that success with cyclone. And to be honest, Cyclone isnt that great to warrant such a drastic hit on IF....but its good enough to be annoyed when i cant use it fully.

>>Repeated for emphasis.....it's lackluster.

Cyclone's actually very good, especially considering it is an ability received at 35: it provides a sizable boost to multi opponent and reflex, which helps defense quite a lot, as well as very respectable offensive boost on top of an RT reduction and the standard berserk perks (anti-stun, anti-prone, anti-calm, balance helper). I would say it is the berserk equivalent of Wolverine Dance, in that while it's not as powerful as the offensive-boosters or the defensive-boosters, but for general hunting it's a very, very nice ability.

I will agree, however, that it's IF cost makes it prohibitive to use (a running theme with higher level berserks), especially since it is able to be stacked with three other berserks in theory. I imagine that maintaining the ability to retreat increases its initial cost. The real problem with Cyclone is that Barbarians never gain more inner fire, so the only way to migitate the high cost is to level up until your passive inner fire regeneration equals the drain of the berserk, which is very high. By that point dances are so powerful that the decision of which ability to use is very one-sided.

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>It is true that the fatigue hit when pounding in the forge depends on the mix and item being forged. That could be confusing the situation some. I do not see any changes to berserks or dances that would account for changes in duration or effectiveness.

I never tested different mixes, but I've definitely noticed that the item you're pounding influences the fatigue drain greatly. The difference between a dagger and a maul is quite dramatic.