Have at it.

That's comparable to what I saw when manually training shield and locks, Zulkirs. You're seeing the larger pool in action. :)

Ryeka


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I didn't see the Congitating typo, but the Intrigued one has been noted. Poor Zeyurn!


Sometimes the key to happiness is not assuming it is locked in the first place- Ziggy

A journey of a thousand SMILES begins with a single step- Ziggy

>>Was the skill in question Primary, Secondary or Tertiary?

Primary. And I've been using the same script for over 50 ranks so I think I would notice any difference if my script took over 10 minutes to complete. The average is around 5-7 minutes. :)

And yes, I may have misspelled a few words, I didn't copy/paste, rather manually type.

Zulkirs-

>Seems a bit slow in general to get up to the higher mind states? To me it feels like more of a grind, at this rate of learning. Bit iffy on the drain time, I kinda like it being long, but maybe not quite this long.

I believe the idea is that you no longer need to grind to the higher mindstates. You get the same pulse size at dabbling as mindlock.

For example, go from clear to mind-lock in Prime, tally the total exp gain from clear to clear. Then in Test, go from clear to deliberative and tally the exp gain from clear to clear. That should be about the same amount of time and exp between the two.

Is it deliberative or attentive or interested that equates to old mind-lock in bits in pool? I don't know, as I haven't had time to test thoroughly enough to get it exact.

>>I believe the idea is that you no longer need to grind to the higher mindstates. You get the same pulse size at dabbling as mindlock.

The goal is also partly to have longer drain times and allow time for other things. You need the higher mind states to get the long drain.

Worrclan's post seems be giving an example of the same concern I emailed about earlier in the week. He has much lower stats than Jhime and the same situation so I don't think it's an issue of high mentals maybe being "too good" for the system as previously mentioned.

It gives a feeling that I'm grinding even harder than before just so I can enjoy the new freedom. When I try to train a handful of skills together I never really get the extended drain at all recreating the cycle of constant training we wanted to shy away from.

My perceptions after a few combat and non-combat training routines.

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I respeced on the test server to cut my mentals in half, from 99 to 49, and I enjoyed the system a lot more. Although I'm happy with my capped mentals in general because I'd like to focus more on tert skills, which this will help with.

My advice would be to train as you'd like and just make sure you're keeping enough exp in your pools that your skills aren't hitting clear. Beyond that, try not to watch so much.

I've made some changes in Test. All testers should

EXP FIXWALL

when they login. From feedback, I was apparently way too generous with what int/wis/disc let you do and the bonuses they all provide have gone down considerably, although they're still more beneficial than they were under the old system (especially Int).

-Z

I think the new EXP system will only feel more grindy initially, as we as players are so programmed to lock a skill, move on, lock another skill, etc., because mind lock is how we achieved maximum pulse sizes.

But once we get a better feel for it, and that our numbers are going up just fine, even when we're not locking all the time, it will feel like less of a grind, especially for combat skills.

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>>But once we get a better feel for it, and that our numbers are going up just fine, even when we're not locking all the time, it will feel like less of a grind, especially for combat skills.

So some other word becomes the new mind lock?

Here's me thoughts from earlier in the week most of you probably didn't get. See if this has been your experience at all.

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All right some thoughts..

It's hard to mind lock anything that isn't tert. Crazy hard. I realize the goal is to not have to worry about always being mind locked anymore, but that also seems counter productive to the other goal. The pools are 3 times as big so we can fill it up then let it drain over a longer period so we can socialize/RP/other things. I can't get to that point, not even remotely close.

After a half hour straight of training PM and MD out of combat I got PM to very focused(21/34) and MD+HARN to riveted(28/34). I share those three just as a time frame. Learning only those skills, ones I feel I've learned to train pretty well, non-stop for a half hour I still am pretty far from a full pool. I don't need that much exp to learn well, but if I just wanted to for any number of reasons its not even possible in any sort of regular time frame.

In an actual non test situation I wouldn't be training 3 skills alone in the first place, especially when I get a full pulse at some other lower mind state. Once I add in more skills I'm definitely not going to reach mid-range to higher level mind states. Weapons seem to be the worst for me personally. I can't get above 5 or 6 on the mind state list for life of me and that drains quickly once I leave combat. This gives me virtually no incentive to leave combat and do other things.

Because It's so hard to get to higher mind states and the benefit of the triple sized pools I see points 1 and 2 of the original post failing to an extent.

1) Reduce obsession with mind-locking skills. In particular, make mindlock a much rarer thing
2) Reduce need to keep training a particular skill constantly

The obsession with mind-locking a skill will go away, but it will be replaced with another mind state goal. Once people get all scientific about it and start to figure out at which point they have enough exp to award a full pulse that will become the new goal. They will hit that point and then move on to another skill until it drops below the full pulse point and they will go back to it. This seems to be recreating the need to train a particular skill constantly since its so hard to take advantage of the triple sized pool.

I've yet to be able to fill up my pools with a nice amount of combat exp and feel like I could go drain elsewhere for a period long enough to justify leaving the hunting area. It took a full 30 minutes to get to that point training only 3 skills non-stop over and over and over.

Just my thoughts.

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>Perhaps cutting back on the pulse size a bit will make it easier to accomplish this.

Och, he already cut back. I don't want to be too far below current exp system rates from mind lock.

Part of this is obviously that there's a huge disparity in ease of lock for some skills regarding others.

Part of it is just that these numbers are really REALLY hard to get right.

I'll keep making some tweaks here, probably tomorrow.

-Z

It's beyond the immediate scope but the worst skills are what I'd like to consider 'Priority 1'. You may even see some fixed before this gets out of Test.

-Z