So I picked up an item from a trader shop, turns out it's registered to a third party (not the shop owner, as far as I'm aware anyways). So in order to un-register this thing, I'll need to track down this person (already confirmed who from the register guy), and give them the item back, in hopes that they un-register it, and just don't decide to keep it? Or can it be un-registered by the former owner without them needing the item in hand? Seems like it puts a buyer in a really bad spot if someone forgets to un-register an item.
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THAYET
Re: Un-Registration
02/06/2016 05:22 PM CST
Correct. It isn't even possible to enter the registrar with a group, IIRC, so there's no way for both of you to even be in the same room.
There have been many requests for ways to unregister something without even needing to go through the previous owner, because that happens or people quit or whatever and then the item is essentially in limbo registration-wise forever. Unfortunately due to potential for abuse, there's no real good way to implement something like that.
Thayet
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There have been many requests for ways to unregister something without even needing to go through the previous owner, because that happens or people quit or whatever and then the item is essentially in limbo registration-wise forever. Unfortunately due to potential for abuse, there's no real good way to implement something like that.
Thayet
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FLINT-TIPPED
Re: Un-Registration
02/06/2016 05:34 PM CST
I wish registered items couldn't even be placed on trader market table surfaces without being unregistered first.
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RATHERDASHING
Re: Un-Registration
02/06/2016 05:41 PM CST
Hrm, yeah that's pretty unfortunate... so ultimately that just means I can't register it to myself, right? If the previous owner assisted saying he lost it or something, would GMs come snatch it from me or anything like that?
THAYET
Re: Un-Registration
02/06/2016 05:49 PM CST
That shouldn't happen.
GMs have promised Bad Things to people who try to abuse registration like that, though I know of no official policy on the matter.
Thayet
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GMs have promised Bad Things to people who try to abuse registration like that, though I know of no official policy on the matter.
Thayet
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SYRAKEN
Re: Un-Registration
02/06/2016 06:04 PM CST
Perhaps an official trade system can be created.
Trade <player>
You have requested a trade with $$$$. Any item traded in this method will be automatically unregistered if they are currently registered and being traded from the original owner.
$$$$ has accepted, please show the item(s) or value of wealth you wish to trade with $$$$)
Show pack to $$$$. You show a pack filled with Sensi, Kertig, and Glaes .. Stuff in it to $$$$ as your item to trade.
$$$$ shows you 10000000 kronar.
Do you wish to trade your pack for this kronar?
Waiting confirmation from $$$$.
Trade has been accepted.
You give your pack to $$$$ and $$$$ hands you 10000000 kronar.
AND, you have to initiate this trade through a Trader, who can ask for a fee or something, maybe, OR you have to go to a Trader Guild to a trading room to do it, or something.
THAYET
Re: Un-Registration
02/06/2016 06:09 PM CST
BARTER is already a verb.
I would not mind seeing an extra option to handle clearing registration but there's no reason to overcomplicate it.
Thayet
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I would not mind seeing an extra option to handle clearing registration but there's no reason to overcomplicate it.
Thayet
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"But you must know that if corruption is powerful enough, it's not corruption at all — it's law. Unspoken, unwritten, but law." — Robert Jackson Bennett, City of Stairs
RATHERDASHING
Re: Un-Registration
02/06/2016 06:25 PM CST
Would having the item bonded work, in the event of the person decided they didn't want to return the item? Not that it would help me in this case, since what I got isn't a weapon or shield... just curious though.
TEVESHSZAT
Re: Un-Registration
02/06/2016 07:00 PM CST
>>If the previous owner assisted saying he lost it or something, would GMs come snatch it from me or anything like that?
Registration != Bonding.
Registration is proof that something exists not that you personally own it.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
Registration != Bonding.
Registration is proof that something exists not that you personally own it.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
ABSOLON
Re: Un-Registration
02/06/2016 08:06 PM CST
<<Registration != Bonding.
He knows that. He's talking about a way to protect yourself from the other person possibly keeping the item when you hand it off to them to unregister it.
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He knows that. He's talking about a way to protect yourself from the other person possibly keeping the item when you hand it off to them to unregister it.
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TEVESHSZAT
Re: Un-Registration
02/06/2016 09:15 PM CST
>>He knows that. He's talking about a way to protect yourself from the other person possibly keeping the item when you hand it off to them to unregister it.
Except the statement I quoted was about if someone else registered an item, you ended up getting it, and the person who originally registered it assisting to try to get it back.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
Except the statement I quoted was about if someone else registered an item, you ended up getting it, and the person who originally registered it assisting to try to get it back.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
RCHIGHT
Re: Un-Registration
02/07/2016 11:15 AM CST
I have an item that is registered to another person (my Dwarven Greataxe which I got through trade via Lycette) which is registered to the original own who I never seem to find online. I have the item bonded to myself though so I can invoke the bond and return it to me. Long way to say yes, you can bond an item to yourself that is registered to another.
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THAYET
Re: Un-Registration
02/07/2016 05:18 PM CST
You can bond it fine, just if the janitor takes it you cannot recover it. I don't know what the GM policy on it is but I doubt they'd be able to recover it for you either, since they wouldn't have proof it was in your possession.
Thayet
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Thayet
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ABSOLON
Re: Un-Registration
02/07/2016 05:27 PM CST
I'm fairly sure a bond functions as proof that you owned the item. What it wouldn't provide is the exact stats of the item. So you might have a haralun throwing axe bonded to you and the GM would know for sure that you owned one, but unless it was registered to you then they wouldn't have any idea what the stats of the weapon were and so you'd very likely just get a replacement with minimum possible stats, or average if very lucky, of such a weapon.
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THAYET
Re: Un-Registration
02/07/2016 05:34 PM CST
In the past when replacing a bonded item a friend of mine had to explicitly ask to have the bond put back on it because apparently that's not information that's readily obvious. Just putting that out there.
Thayet
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"But you must know that if corruption is powerful enough, it's not corruption at all — it's law. Unspoken, unwritten, but law." — Robert Jackson Bennett, City of Stairs
Thayet
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"But you must know that if corruption is powerful enough, it's not corruption at all — it's law. Unspoken, unwritten, but law." — Robert Jackson Bennett, City of Stairs
ALLMINE
Re: Un-Registration
02/09/2016 07:56 PM CST
You should also possibly contact the person that it IS registered to and make sure it isn't a stolen item. Or borrowed by someone and then just never returned to the rightful owner.
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