So I'm not really the area owner for Throne City right now, but the Moon Mage Guild has a lot of historical ties to the city and I'm working on a few other projects in the area, so I figure I'll start a little brainstorming session.

What do you want to see in Throne City? The projects I'm working on already include high level hunting and a healer, so don't worry about those two.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

The Arcadius Sector.

Moon Mage access to the museum at night.

I feel like the arts and beauty were a big part of the Empire so maybe a theatre or a park.

A few more shops would be nice, maybe one that sells replicas of Imperial-style weapons or clothing.

Mining. All that stone had to come from somewhere.

My song "Imperial Glory" to be made into a song scroll and sold somewhere in Throne. (You are Bard person now too afterall.)

In case you haven't heard it...

"Imperial Glory
In memory of The Empire of the Seven-Pointed Star
A song written and performed by myself - Coralin Mayfair, Imperial Fateweaver."

"The roads of Throne are blank and grey
A meager shadow of the glory days.
People are gone, the buildings decay
The knowledge and wonder long gone away."

"Travel back in your minds eye
Imagine what was in days gone by.
Towering spires - palaces grand
Wiped away by time's cruel hand."

"Nine hundred and eight the year before
Lanival redeemed and saved our shores
The Empire began, new hope sprung forth
The races united, ajoined in the north."

"The Empire's gem, Throne City it stood
Ruling the land and keeping the good.
Sharing the Throne the races of seven
Their symbol a star as those in the heavens."

"Moliko's Codex governed, policed.
While the Empire spread -
North, West, South, and East.
Academia flourished, achievements were grand,
While sorcery was outlawed, punished and banned."

"Tezirah was hunted, finally killed
The guilds began forming, after blood had been spilled.
Progress continues as it's wont to do
The end of an era begins right on cue."

"Rioting starts, the populace dejected
Emperor Klyudor fights, but nothing's corrected.
Decay only worsens, the end ever-nearer
Visible to all, as a reflection in a mirror."

"Two thirty nine Lord Teiro attacks
Everyone had left, Regent Seylan was lax.
The time of Chaos begins and the Empire falls
Lanival rallies, some hear his calls.

"After the war the Imperial land was divided.
Five provinces created and left to be guided
By Ferdahls and Barons and even a Prince
And thus how the realms have been ruled ever since."

"Throne City abandoned lay silent and still
Reclaimed by the Moon Mage, rebuilt by our will.
A shell or a husk of it's former splendor
The lunar guild became it's lone defender."

"Protected by magic and hidden away
Shrouded by mists near Faldesu's spray.
The gem of Throne City patiently waits
For its precious turn to be risen by fate."

"Now those that still dwell here are lone scholars and thieves
They roam the stark quiet walking streets strewn with leaves.
Lost in the ruins or hidden in trees
You may feel their presence or it could be the breeze."

"History, magic, and lore at arm's length
Read the lunar accord and see the guild's strength.
Y'shai will protect you as you roam the roads
Witness in awe what time can't erode."

"A new day shall dawn for Throne once again
The streets will be filled with women and men.
Imperial Glory shall never expire
Its legacy lives on as one we admire."

"Remember the Empire its knowledge and might
Restore what once was, and learn from its plight."






I'll brainstorm some more. Don't worry.


-Coralin

The Imperial Highway to Darkstone would be nice. Dangerous and fairly survival skill intensive of course.

-Coralin

>>The Imperial Highway to Darkstone would be nice. Dangerous and fairly survival skill intensive of course.

That's been on the "to do" list forever and ever and ever. IIRC it's like half done? I think Icuria was going to work on it when she took over Throne City. I'll have to check with her what the status of it is.

>>All thieves(Guilded or non-guilded) caught stealing in Thrown city and shops should be gated to Ratha.

You are far too merciful.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

just give it the same penalty as those caught in the museum ever get. <you're put in a prison barge to riverhaven. Guilded sometimes get "rescued" by fades boys, but the rescue is anything but pleasant. <you are beat just about to death and end up sitting next to fade, from which you have to figure out how to run through thugs without either falling to your death or getting a bolt to the eye from the thugs>


i'd like to see some areas retain their quality of lawlessness <critter areas, etc>.

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Oh and last one, DR at any given time has a population of weenies that will criticize at the drop of a hat, don't take things personally it happens to everyone.
Leucius

>>I feel like the arts and beauty were a big part of the Empire so maybe a theatre or a park.

I know it's not terribly Moon Mage-y, but I've always had a fondness for the city since Gor'Tog's built a lot of it. It's silly, but it would be nice to have some random examples of architechure around the city that you can LOOK at and I can point to.

>LOOK ROAD
Built of interlocking stone, time has not been kind to it, yet it's superb construction has let it weather the ages.

>LOOK COLUMN
Cut from white marble and still several stories tall, the lower part of this work of stone is covered in scratched messages so thickly that they have become indecypherable.

Just small things like that.

>Dahl Aeliy Provisions and Wares already sells some archaeological supplies, but I wouldn't mind seeing an expansion on that. Maybe a shop that sells clothing and some themed containers? Hats to protect from the sun, rugged clothing, an 'artifact case' or something like that...

I would love to see expansions to the archiology dig system. Maybe very rare items, like one use instructions for forging Imperial weapons (doesn't even have to be different stats!). I'd love to see more variety of items, some items that give more history, such as cameos of famous people or the like.

>Possibly a shady person (in or near the Alley Thugs area?) that sells stuff looted from the dig sites. Jewelry, trinkets, small works of art or items of historical interest, that kind of thing.

Actually, why not the reverse, someone that buys them? Seems like you'd buy them where they're common, and sell them where they're rare.

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>>Maybe very rare items, like one use instructions for forging Imperial weapons (doesn't even have to be different stats!).

That would rock.

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"You always have to be a know-it-all. And you don't. Know. It. All." - GERSTEINJ2

>>But making rare finds possible (they aren't really with the current system) is definitely in the plan.

I know this is a kinda subjective statement, but as you're tweaking the archaeology system, can you make the "regular" items have a bit of value behind them?

For example, I think being able to find some tiles you can juggle is awesome, but unless I plan to sell a few dozen to other players, there's very little point for me to want to hold onto more than one set for myself.

So when the system gets revamped, being able to turn in items as a money making thing (or more!) would be fun. Otherwise I feel like they'll just get dug up and discarded, which seems unfair payout-wise given how most other "do actions to train/gain money" systems work.

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"You always have to be a know-it-all. And you don't. Know. It. All." - GERSTEINJ2

I have a few thoughts for Throne City:

1) A telescope repair shop

2) It was mentioned above, but a Justice system would seem to be a good idea both for playability and in-game story.

3) Liven up the Council Chambers in the Imperial Palace. Two thoughts--
a) A series Gweths fixed to either the wall or some manner of pedestal that would allow you to "speak" with one of the various provinces by holding them
b) A gate, historically used to open to a various places around the realms. But as the controls have long been forgotten, it sends you to one of a variety of random locations

4) A nice pub

>I'm drawing a blank. Was that the upper class housing area?

Yup. If you go east of the slope that heads to the barge you're at the bridge that leads over there. It's where all the council members supposedly lived as well. Taramaine's Manor could be something fun for us to be able to visit.

>As in to look around, or as in to steal?

Steal. If I can't circle based on my Thievery I want to be able to rape the guild....and get gweth stones. Really, it's more about getting gweth stones.

>Feels a little more touristy to me. What other kinds of shops would people like to see?

Any shop that would bring more traffic to the area really. Something niche and interesting. Maybe something that rotates like Ilaya Taipa's Harbor Shops...based on what's been excavated recently. Divination tools.

>Yeah... it came from somewhere and ended up there. That's what barges are for :P (Actually I have a very half baked idea that might be able to squeeze in mining, but it's nothing immediate).

Yay.

Someone also mentioned something about gweths that would let you listen in on different "zones", I liked that, but I wouldn't mind having goldcaps rent out even more services. Like Shadewatch Mirror services or something.

-Coralin

>>can you make the "regular" items have a bit of value behind them?

Maybe, but I'm a little leery of a zero risk system having too much reliable reward.

>>To go along with it, I also like the idea of a shop selling good gear for archaeological digs. And tool templates inserted into the Blacksmithing discipline would be cool (special brushes, picks, etc.).

Maybe.

>>The other major thing I'd like to see, along with the Enchanting society, would be a lot more enchanting gear, perhaps rarer things than seen elsewhere

We'll talk after Enchanting is a thing.

>>what about lower level hunting?

It already has a smattering of what I'd consider lower level hunting. Is there a level range in particular you feel it is lacking?

>>1) A telescope repair shop

Don't we have that?

>>2) It was mentioned above, but a Justice system would seem to be a good idea both for playability and in-game story.

Yup.

>>3) Liven up the Council Chambers in the Imperial Palace.

Council members don't tend to share their toys.

>>Looking into the future when swimming and climbing combine into outdoorsmanship, there's relatively little save the swimming in caimen and crocs.

I'll keep that in mind when working on new areas.

>>Most have extensive graveyards, tombs, catacombs and such. Undead hunting perhaps? There's also other potential for a lot of underground stuff in general. Maybe even a passage under the Faldesu.

No comment.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

speaking of shady personna - someone who buys box trap components would be good. putting 'em in one of the passages would be awesome.

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Oh and last one, DR at any given time has a population of weenies that will criticize at the drop of a hat, don't take things personally it happens to everyone.
Leucius

>>Is there a level range in particular you feel it is lacking?

I'm not sure really because I don't know the area that well. But I was thinking right down to the very lowest levels. Anything in the 0-200 range would be good though, I think.

It just seems like a neat place to bring Moon Mage apprentices and other light-combat scholarly people. To be honest, I'm a little surprised that it's geared more toward uber hard critters than the lower end (though I can understand it from a lore perspective).


-- Player of Eyuve

>Citizenship.

OMG yes.

-Coralin

If you start thinking Citizenship then maybe slowly start building TC into an actual working city again... its had (IG wise) supposedly years and years of rebuilding going on. So like someone said slowly start bringing in things like stat trainers, vaults, etc. Doesnt need to be a sudden explosion of new stuff but I think it would be amazing to see it eventually become a bit more like it used to be (lore wise), or at least become populated. It always kills me to see it so empty every time Im up there.

Specific things Id like to see:
- An actual Moon Mage shop akin to Griniel's Cottage that the War Mages have. I love some of the Guild themed stores floating around and while I know we have the sect shops, most of us can only access one. And they are pretty bare in their offerings.
- I love the enchanting halls ideas for when enchanting hits. Im sure Xathvier would love starting a full blown hall.
- I liked the idea of having a Moon Mage guild hall. Certainly doesnt need to be Taramaine teaching but you would think that with TC being a Moon Mage power base that we would be teaching new mages there... sort of a Moon Mage jedi temple. Thats how I always envisioned it anyhow.
- I know its not something thats enjoyed being put in but an auto puff would be nice. Ive gotten bolted and attacked by the worms and had to run clear back to Theren (and once Haven due to moons) to get help. With such a non existant populace in the area it might help bring in hunters.
- Hunting. Its already been mentioned that there are proposals or at least ideas floating for more critters. Personally Id love to see maybe one more 50-100 skill critter (we have caiman but Id love maybe a loot dropper) and then maybe some higher level critters to flesh out the ranges of hunting. Something along the lines of a shadowy creature or say a Y'Shai experiment that goes funky and makes some tiered level crazed Y'Shai to hunt.
- More magic based stuff. By this I see TC now as sort of a hub for magical research. Currently I know only the Moon Mages are there but Id love for it to become sort of the place mages go to share spell ideas and develop new enchantment etc. This would be perfect for the Enchanting Hall. Would also be neat to bring in the various other magic guilds. They could have their own little quarters in the city that they would refurbish (obviously Moon Mages would keep the lions share heh). This could also lead to some interesting underground sorcery dealings. I wouldnt even care if Necromancers found a way into the tunnels under the city. Would just give it more flavor.

~Tezirite Renzar Lorrani

"Power is merely a stepping stone to more power."

While I would definitely like to see some TC development, I also think that Taramaine wouldn't want to make it too attractive and convenient such that it would draw a much larger and stable population (particularly non-MMs). Eventually someone might start prying a little too much or Therengia might decide the city is worth claiming.

-Artificer Nilassa

You notice Kssarh trying to remain hidden while speaking.
You hear the voice of Kssarh say, "Slackers."

>>1. Auto-path (in process as you stated).

Yap.

>>2. Gem shop.

Poof! I give you gem shop! (Don't look at that map to see if it was already there! That's cheating!)

>>3. Climbing (tons of places to put climbing areas).

There's some, I'll see about working some more into new areas as they come about.

>>4. Swimming (some really cool rivers/streams....this may already exist...anyone know?)

Ditto.

>>5. Minding area.

Huh?

>>6. Place to buy ammo (rocks, bolts, arrows, throwing things).

I bet we could get that added to the existing general store, or a basic armory set up. Either/or.

>>7. Armor repair.

Interesting. We have a MAMA's but not a repair place. Yeah, I bet we could do that.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

Madigan wants to harvest MM brains.

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"You always have to be a know-it-all. And you don't. Know. It. All." - GERSTEINJ2

Throne City will be getting Justice (Along with other upgrades).

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

Forbidden Practices is one of the main reasons there will be a justice system there.

The fact that it's acted as a necromancer safe zone all this time was not planned.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose