I have got to say this is an awesome improvement. It signals to me that we're seeing a definite step in the direction of realism in the structure and behavior of urban areas during invasions.


Katsura, Barbarian of the Sad-Eyed Puppy

Umm... So can we pay our doggone Citizenship in Dirge, then?

A warning would've been nice. Guess I can just break the Gates.

Kinda a bad thing, that people are North of there, and can't get through... Also, a reduction in the price of Citizenship, since the issue has been officially forced. Also, it would be good to put up a 'toll booth' for the folks who don't care to be citizens, or are Citizens of another Province. Either that, or institute passports, for this area, as well.

Not real fond of this. How is a new character supposed to be able to go outside the gates, to forage, to make the money to pay this? Shipyard Rat pelts don't pay enough to do that, by the time ya cap 'em.

-PELIC (Wandering off, muttering...)

>> This is just dumb! Are you trying to get people to stop traveling places? Can't even go to a city to visit or shop without a the trouble of worring if the gates are open or closed! Lets drive more people away from the game and screw the new people, heck they quit before there free 30 days are up!<<

Stop being hysterical. Getting the gate open is as easy as having a citizen open it for you -- which is a heck of a lot easier than getting into areas of Therengia or Shard after dark.

<<This is just dumb! Are you trying to get people to stop traveling places? Can't even go to a city to visit or shop without a the trouble of worring if the gates are open or closed!>>

It's war time. Wouldn't you rather enjoy the comfort and safety of knowing that you have a barricade to defend yourself? We've asked for these gates and they've been given to us. Let's not complain about something that we asked for.

-Ruffles

Avast ye scurvy nibblets! Me be sailin' ta rescue me booty!

>>So my Prydaen, who doesn't care a whit about citizenship really, who happens to own a home in Arthe Dale, can't get past the gate without someone with a Zoluren citizenship opening the gate for him?<<

Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you have to be a citizen to own a home? Furthermore, given how much of this war is otherwise inconveniencing people, I'd think you lot would actually be happy that we have the option of defending our towns now.

It's ridiculous, furthermore, to suggest that this will in any way impede newbies on a regular basis. Once the war is over, the gates will stay open during non-Invasion time, unless some moron closes them as a prank in which case one of the more adult citizens will come along and reopen them.

At the very least I would think you could address your posts in a civil manner. While I do not specifically refer to the above quoted posters complaint (which was phrased in a reasonable way), statements such as "This is just dumb!" are in no way helpful, and will likely get your argument ignored/responded to in kind.

I suspect, further, that once urban scaling comes along, it will not be a great issue for someone to get into the town if they have a friend with sufficient climbing.

The increase in a proactive resistance stance that these improvements provide will help to take the edge off of what has otherwise been a largely one-sided war in many areas. Certainly Haven might not have fallen quite so readily had its defenders been capable of preventing the rapid insurrection and subsequent cleansing of their city via the gates. WIth the help of moongates, the town could have been reinforced before the invaders broke through, and I wouldn't be looking at an inability to circle up without moongating to Crossing right now. Personal annoyances aside, please at least make the attempt to view this from the positive angles before ranting about the few, and somewhat ridiculous, negative possibilities.

Katsura, Barbarian of the Sad-Eyed Puppy

It's an easy fix preventing gates from being abused: a gate is big enough and heavy enough that it takes say, 3-5 people to close or open. This would also prevent a single traitor to fling open the gates and let the invaders in.

What I'd really like to see incorporated is some sort of alarm bell system. If people spot creatures invading the town, they can run to a tower and ring the town bells, which are then heard across the town and perhaps even outside the walls. This would immediately notify everyone that the city is under attack and to either rush to its defense or seek cover. People who start false alarms would be jailed and heavily fined.

Dervose

>>You only need to be a premie for 90 days straight.<<

Well, here again is another barrier to the potentially obstructive and annoying behaviors people are fearing. While I'm not going to be stupid enough to say that there aren't <i>any</i> people snerty enough to engage in this behavior among the premies, it strikes me that they'll be in the extreme minority amongst those who have spent 90 days. Further, I suspect that randomly opening or closing the gates will be considered abusive behavior if it happens enough.


Katsura, Barbarian of the Sad-Eyed Puppy

Id like to second that idea about some sort of alarm thing especially in illithi ...It would be cool to get to the gondola and not be able across but still be able to light the signal fire somewhere in the peeks that could be seen in town. To prevent someone from miss using the alarms maybe you have to have a badge to light/activate the alarm??

It's a great idea, I'd like to see this implemented in other places too (like say.. Ilithi ;)

I'd like to be able to open the Shard gates at night so I can lead my squad through without having to run all the way around, even if the guards shut them again after a few seconds.

I'd like to be able to shut the east gate, 'cause three out of four isn't very secure.

I'd like to be able to close all the gates during the day.

I'd like to see it happen before several thousand pitcast troops arrive on our doorstep ::nudge::

And while I'm at it, I'd like towers with murder holes and cauldrons of naptha to defend said gates <g>

~Lieutenant Kyrrian Sarantin, Ilithi Battering Rams.

Since we now have functional gates, what about crossings North gate? I know, it doesn't really exist, there is a big hole there. Thats the problem. Can't Vorclaf fix the gate there or does he want a nice big gap there?

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In the end all things return to Chaos

* Skiori was just struck down! [11:20 pm]

OK, when kaerna gates first popped up we couldn't drag corpses through, dunno if this has been changed or not as I haven't been able to play in a day or two but I'd hope so.

And apologies to who it makes mad, but I fail to understand how folks can complain that the gates can be opened/closed by citizens only, or wish to own land in a province without paying taxes to the government that owns that land. Why would us citizens want our gates controlled by foreigners? Or why should the ruler of the province allow you to be a landowner without taxing that land?

<<The least you can do is let us close a damn gate when there's orcs ready to eviscerate you all.>>

That's a pretty good idea to let the military be added to those who can open/close the gates. (This change seems easier to make then your next idea)

<<Or give us free citizenship in return for serving. That works too.>>

I don't think that will work from a system point of view, because they only allow one citizenship at a time.

-Ruffles

Avast ye scurvy nibblets! Me be sailin' ta rescue me booty!

<<I'm military, but not a citizen. But I'm still saving your asses with no pay and crappy hours.

military and a citizen so I get no pay, crappy hours, and pay taxes.

true I can see adding the military, I'd forgotten to list them since I'm both.

"<<Or give us free citizenship in return for serving. That works too.>>

I don't think that will work from a system point of view, because they only allow one citizenship at a time."

This has always bothered me a bit. There should be some requirement that if you serve in a provincial military unit, you must renounce citizenship to any other province. It's the way it works in real life and the way it should work in Elanthia. The current system is just asking for conflict of interest.

Dervose

>>Gonif>>it is not always the way it works in real life. One of my sons recently became an Israeli citizen. He is also serving in the Tz'hal, the Israeli armed forces. He does Not have to renounce his U.S. citizenship in order to do so. Other nations also have provisions for what is called Joint citizenship.

But Israel could be a different situation since military service there is mandatory. The state department might frown on someone with dual citizenship serving in a volunteer army -- Britain, for example. But we're comparing 21st century politics to a medieval/fantasy RPG, so the whole argument could be moot.

I personally don't want to lose the islanders and southlanders we have serving in Therengia, so it doesn't really matter to me -- and I think it's a bit late to be arguing about the composition of militia units. ;)


Sgt. Thilan Farnmor
Intel Division, Northern Watch of Therengia

Hey, I got a request, lets get some bins or boxes or something by the gates, where people can drop off wood and not have to worry about the janitor sweeping through between then and when its needed.

Caraamon Majerye,
Tog Sailor
"Swim? I canna swim, I sink sideways!"

http://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=20&category=8&topic=8&message=625

This was the original post announcing the release of the Crossing Town Gates in Prime and Plat, however, in TF we never received this update. Is there any chance Meriel, we could have these released into TF?

Thanks
SADRIS

What good do the gates do against the undead war? Can't they just moon gate into the town?

Or walk around to the east gate.


-Mr. Glemm