I've been reflecting on the fact that in the real world, there were often stories or rumors of mythical lands just over the horizon, on the very outskirts of the known world. Places populated by dog-people (Well Elanthia has the Rakash) or strange societies, Amazons and the like. Things ranged from the unreal like Prester John's kingdom, or just above the ordinary fanciful tales of travel like with Marco Pole.

I don't know all of the in-game lore, but it seems like Elanthian society has a much better understanding of the geography of the world, and little in the way of this mythical element.

Does that seem to be the case for anyone else?

Just thinking that of all the in-game books at libraries, I don't remember many that talk about lands in a way that indicates they may be mythical legends.

>>This world of Elanthia is MUCH larger than the area DragonRealms covers. Most of the maps don't really make this clear.

What's the general scale for this? Like the distance from Shard to Crossing to Riverhaven is equal to: Rome-Paris-London? Or ...?

>>Even in the five provinces there are large swaths of fairly unexplored territory (See: The Blasted Plains for an example). People tend to forget that Elanthia has been through a world shattering cataclysm with that whole World Dragon thing.

But is there a lot of stuff in-game that refers to lost kingdoms and the such? I just didn't know if there was space for such, and it's just not out there, or if I'm missing things and need to up my lore-reading activities.

<<What's the general scale for this? Like the distance from Shard to Crossing to Riverhaven is equal to: Rome-Paris-London? Or ...?

https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Zone_map

The size of each zone is 100 square miles, so the area on that map roughly covers the size of western Europe or roughly east of the Mississipi from New England down to about the Carolinas.

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>>https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Empire_of_the_Seven_Pointed_Star

>>Roughly analogous to Kermoria as the Roman Empire is to Europe.

The Roman Empire was real though. I'm not asking for fallen empires like Rome. I'm looking for mythical lands that didn't exist, like Pastor John's Kingdom.

According to Elanthipedia, each zone is roughly 100 linear miles, so each zone is 100 mi x 100 mi (10,000 sq mi, or roughly the size of Vermont). The distance from Shard to Crossing would then be around sqrt(200^2 + 400^2), or about 440 miles. Western Europe would be a good comparison for size.

Distance becomes sort of hand-wavy at this point, because it's 220 miles from Crossing to Riverhaven, but a character can run past Dirge and swim the river to get from Crossing to Riverhaven in under a minute.

>There were often stories or rumors of mythical lands just over the horizon

Yeah Elanthipedia is pretty post-apocolyptic. Over the horizon to the north? Blasted wasteland. To the west? Blasted wasteland; (beyond which is a new, modern blasted wasteland filled with zombies) To the south? Frozen, blasted wasteland. Over the ocean? Shapeshfiting slavemasters and then probably blasted wasteland with most of a moon embedded in it. Zouluren alone has three or four enormous craters in it, half of them filled with deadly monsters.

If there are rumored lost kingdoms, they are lost because Goblins or Orcs or Trolls or planar invaders killed and ate everyone who lived there, ground their cities to dust, and then Firulf teleported a lake over the dust because he was irritated (See: Laakmir) so now we just can't find the ruins.

Fostra's Haven is a good example, though.

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Amusingly somewhat true if considering how screwed up properties are for custom namespaces.

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Firulf's Grove comes to mind, as a legendary place. FWIW, I'd like to someday visit Journalai. I've wondered when that route would be cleared since '96. Considering the city (or mountains?) is said to be where the Barrier was raised, it would be neat to explore the grounds tainted by the effects of the new threat while sifting for clues of whatever old threat turned Journalai into ruins in the first place.

- Saragos

For fun I just searched Elanthipedia for the word myth and skimmed the results for books that mention myths.
There are a lot of stories from before written record that have become myth. As far as mythical locations, most of the myths I have seen talk about areas that are known to have existed.


This is the closest I can find to what you were looking for. This book refers to a "nameless land of Truffenyi" that was home to the Elves before they angered Truffenyi and were cast away.
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/My_Visions_of_the_Lost_Lands_(book)

There is an entire age of Elanthian history before written record known as the Age of Myths. Two locations mentioned there are also in written history (HighHold and the Sana'ati Dyaus Drui'tas Fortress)
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Elanthian_Timeline_2#I._THE_AGE_OF_MYTHS_.28PREHISTORY.29

This one refers "a group of powerful Mages who created a Citadel on the top of a mountain somewhere south of the Dragonspine Mountains"
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/History_of_the_Warrior_Mage_Guild,_Volume_1_(book)

There is an Elothean house that might or might not be a myth...
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Tale_Of_The_Slaughter_Of_Scholars_(book)

Ancient legends tell of a mythical obelisk, formed by the hands of Meraud and Firulf themselves..
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Suur_Pillar_(book)

I wondered if Chyolvea Tayeu'a was the Citadel, but kept seeing conflicting information. Every source I saw referred to Chyolvea Tayeu'a as a fortress in the Dragon Spine mountains, and at least one called it a Mountain Elf fortress. Every source I saw of the Citadel referred to it as the Citadel and it was supposedly located south of the mountains.
(Edit: Stupid me.. I just looked up the definition of citadel..n/m)

Then I saw the Warrior Mage and Elanthian timelines both mention "The Citadel (Chyolvea Tayeu'a) is built" so maybe I was reading too much into the differences.


Most of the other places are in recorded history (or still around), they just also existed before recorded history so there are myths about them. A lot of mythology, but few actual places that only exist in myth.

It appears the..
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/My_Visions_of_the_Lost_Lands_(book)
..link was the only decent thing I have to offer.

>>Also enjoyed "My Time with the Seelie" and wished that the fae were featured more frequently in game.

There are actually plenty of fae in game. Some well known ones: boggles, nyads, dryads, sand sprites, river sprites, faenrae, alfar. Some have some pretty neat homes that involve some strangeness (e.g. boggle area is a maze, Forest of Night is a crazy boreal/tropical forest). Check this out: https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Fae

My personal favorite inaccessible location is Albaria. There are plenty of interesting stories from there that we don't know the truth of, so some could certainly be considered myth. A land of mist that shapeshifters reside in. Mountains that hold an avian race. Ancient cities of a Gorbesh-destroyed civilization (the Luethra). There's a lot of good reading there.

A few of our quests also take us to fairly remote locations, such as Taisidon and the old Corik's quest.

- Navesi

>>There is a Bard Easter egg in Ratha that is more what I was thinking.

I am intrigued. Is there a book I should look at or a hint to finding this?

- Navesi

It's on elanthipedia and has been for years, so I think you're safe:

https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Shintu
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Selkie

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I often wonder how much of DR's mythical places is a "not really a place" myth as much as a "well the area/quest where you'd be there isn't around yet" myth.

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The selkie part, it was never updated and you can't play the required way (gentle) any longer since the PLAY re-write. So I'm not sure how they would have been working.

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> I wondered if Chyolvea Tayeu'a was the Citadel, but kept seeing conflicting information. Every source I saw referred to Chyolvea Tayeu'a as a fortress in the Dragon Spine mountains, and at least one called it a Mountain Elf fortress. Every source I saw of the Citadel referred to it as the Citadel and it was supposedly located south of the mountains.
(Edit: Stupid me.. I just looked up the definition of citadel..n/m)

> Then I saw the Warrior Mage and Elanthian timelines both mention "The Citadel (Chyolvea Tayeu'a) is built" so maybe I was reading too much into the differences.

I'm the one who made (and is still working on collating info/updating) the WM timeline and the rest of the Lore section on the WM page, as I get time. I also suspected that the two might be the same but was unsure. Ultimately, my source for The Citadel = Chyolvea Tayeu'a is GM Atrathien's original timeline https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Elanthian_Timeline

Since he was a WM GM around the time that Chyolvea Tayeu'a was introduced, I took that as reliable, barring any sort of retcon, which I couldn't find any references to. The WM-specific lore isn't terribly well developed, or if it was it's not well documented. But I'm doing my best to collect and make sense of what there is.

- Saragos

There's a bunch of cool stuff on the STR that is mysterious and has never been expanded on. The statues, old cottages, that random graveyard.

There's also the giant door in Undershard, which AFAIK never had its purpose officially revealed.

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