>>DINERGRRL


I had a similar problem, did you have -bolt flights- not arrow flights?


~Worrclan, Dwarf of the Realms-

As a followup with the bolts and using mountains of glue...




You get some straight bolt flights from inside your duffel bag.
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You place your flights with your ice-adder bolts and carefully mark where it will attach when you continue crafting.
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You get a vibrant yellow-green wood shaper fashioned to resemble a cobra from inside your duffel bag.
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That tool does not seem suitable for that task.
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You analyze every aspect of the ice-adder bolts and nod as your understanding grows.
When crafting is complete these will be a type of animal part bolts.
Several adjustments must be made to the bolt using a set of tinker's tools.
From the progress so far, it looks like the bolts are masterfully-crafted.
The bolts are an intricate piece to make.
You estimate that they are one-third done.
Roundtime: 9 sec.
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You put your shaper in your duffel bag.
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You get some metal tinker's tools from inside your duffel bag.
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The bolts are ready for an application of glue to attach the flights.
Roundtime: 13 sec.
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Talia hums softly to herself as she walks away.
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You project your thoughts to Worrclan.
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You put your tools in your duffel bag.
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You get some wood glue from inside your duffel bag.
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You apply some glue to your bolts and affix each bolthead in place.

The bolts are ready for an application of glue to attach the flights.
Roundtime: 15 sec.
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You dab the surface of your bolts with glue and attach the boltheads to them.

The bolts are ready for an application of glue to affix each bolthead.
Roundtime: 11 sec.
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You dab the surface of your bolts with glue and attach the boltheads to them.

The bolts are ready for an application of glue to attach the flights.
Roundtime: 18 sec.
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You chatter away...
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You dab the surface of your bolts with glue and attach the boltheads to them.

The bolts are ready for an application of glue to affix each bolthead.
Roundtime: 12 sec.
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You dab the surface of your bolts with glue and attach the boltheads to them.
Roundtime: 13 sec.
Applying the final touches, you complete working on some ice-adder bolts.

>>using the command fire[...]it would not fire.

Same for shoot. Additionally, spamming the command several times would finally get the weapon to fire, however I couldn't hit something I normally 3 shot in prime. This applied to old store stonebows, crafted stonebows, as well as copied-from-prime bows.

Samsaren

Yeah I tried all variations. It appears that the firing bug is on light and heavy crafted crossbows as well.



~Worrclan, Dwarf of the Realms-

Seems none of the tinkered enhancements will allow you to start... You can study each page, but then when you try to start by clamping you get--

push cross with clam
You have no idea how to craft crossbow lightening from this.

Or a variation of that depending on the enhancement.

~Worrclan, Dwarf of the Realms-

I've updated Elanthipedia with the correct ductility for all the metals I could find since that bug got squashed.

Other than the fix to the sabretooth bolts all the concerns I brought up in post 563 are still unaddressed.

Crystal shards seem to have disappeared. Any chance they could come back?

What wood property is relevant for stonebows?

Does wood type or mechanism material have any effect on soldiers/telescopes/music boxes?

Some crafting books, like blacksmithing, have lines about where the item gets its potency from. Could we get that for tinkering?
Such as: This crafting tool derives its potency from the material's physical resistance.

I love the new toys. Especially the music boxes.


And now the list of bugs.

-Combat in test is broken. Attack verbs such as swing/slice/punch frequently yield no response from the game and when you finally do attack your accuracy seems to be 0.

-Tinker's tools have the same look as stone chisels.

l tools
A thick cord bundles a diverse set of stone-carving chisels and a weighted mallet.

-Deeded metals don't show ductility.

-When carving bolts, I'll get the message asking for carving with a knife but when I analyze it actually wants me to adjust with tinker's tools.

You dab the surface of your bolts with glue and attach the boltheads to them.

A handful of rough edges require carving with a knife to remove.
Roundtime: 16 sec.

That tool does not seem suitable for that task.

You analyze every minute detail of the sabretooth bolts and smile knowingly to yourself.
When crafting is complete these will be a type of animal part bolts.
Several adjustments must be made to the bolt using a set of tinker's tools.
From the progress so far, it looks like the bolts are masterfully-crafted.
The bolts are a somewhat challenging piece to make.
You estimate that they are three-quarters done.
Roundtime: 10 sec.

-Similarly, when crafting telescopes I'll get the message for rifflers but the analyze asks for tinker's tools.

-Adjusting with tinker's tools produces no messaging for the action.

adjust bolts with tool

The bolts are ready for an application of glue to attach the flights.
Roundtime: 9 sec.

-Maker's marks don't show up on music boxes.

-Music boxes and telescopes could both use a "study" so it's easier to tell how to use them.


That's it for tonight. I'll start making weapons and collecting data for Elanthipedia later this week.

~Engineering Savant Ascot Ryuzzaki, Grayroot of Elanthia

Separating mechanisms gives the wrong messaging about which batch is at your feet.


>glance
You glance down to see some steel scissors with ruby bows in your right hand and some bronze mechanisms in your left hand.
>count my mecha
There are three parts left of the bronze mechanisms.
>mark mecha at 1
You count out 1 batches and mark them for separation.
>cut my mecha with sciss
You carefully separate 1 batch and place it at your feet.
>stow left
You put your mechanisms in your leather backpack.
>get mecha
You pick up the mechanisms lying at your feet.
>count mecha
There are two parts left of the bronze mechanisms.

What are codices?

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"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes

Any chance one of the rare metals could get ductility set to 95? Maybe animite?

>>Damite is 99.

Damite should also probably come down to 95 then (since 99 is usually reserved for auction/quest). I just thought animite getting that 95 spot would give it a nice niche role in crafting. Currently it's not really useful outside of alterations.

>>I'm pretty sure that Ductility isn't going to change things that much that 99 Ductility needs to be gated behind a paywall.

This is correct. It's also correct that tyrium isn't that different than any 95 hardness metal for weapons.

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>>Also, my main thought here is for Siegery, which I would hope ductility impacts heavily.

No clue how this will play out since I don't interact with Siegery.

As for the way it interacts with crossbows it seems to be akin to enhancements and it doesn't even make a difference unless you have Ductility under 20 or over 85-90. Having 99 Ductility gated behind a paywall would turn it into something that was largely useless IMO, and would never be used since it seems you are going to need it at 95+ to even see a benefit from it.

I understand that want for consistency but I think doing with Ductility is a bit extreme.

>>Having 99 Ductility gated behind a paywall would turn it into something that was largely useless IMO, and would never be used since it seems you are going to need it at 95+ to even see a benefit from it.

I guess this is what I don't understand, if it's useless behind a paywall then I wonder why it has to be 99 at all.

I'd also really love to avoid an oversite situation (I'm looking at you Senci) where something was set much higher for testing than it should have been in release.

In the end it's up to Kodius, if he wants damite at 99 then it'll be there, personally I'd prefer to see animite get a bump to 95 and damite knocked down to 95. Let something special (neillo, kapeda, and orichalcum are prime contenders in my mind considering their less than usefulness, maybe arudalum and icesteel) get the 99.

>>My point is that from what I have seen in Test is that anything below 99 Ductility isn't going to be visible on the majority of crossbows (haven't seen crossbows made from rare woods so it might make more of a difference with them).

IMO, that means those lower ductility need to matter more, then, than needing 99 accessible to all.

>>Personally, I see quest/auctions materials as mostly useless beyond being able to say I have the best of the best since they are only marginally better than every-day rare materials.

This is a pretty fair way to view them. They're not game-changing. I believe this is also explicitly intentional by design. That final 4 points don't count "more" than the initial 95.

If there isn't much difference between using 80/85/90/95 ductility, then that should probably be expanded on, more than make 99 ductility accessible outside of quests/ultra-rare situations.

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-I think the "Balance Crossbow Crafting" technique is supposed to be called the "Balanced Crossbow Crafting" technique.

-The battle and forester's stonebows are listed as "short battle stonebow" and "short forester's stonebow". I don't think they're supposed to have the "short".

-Currently the forester's stonebow and light crossbow templates are using the "Advanced Powerful Crossbows" technique. Should they be using the "Advanced Balanced Crossbows" technique like the heavy forester's crossbow? Forester's longbows and shortbows use the "Advance Light Bowcraft" technique which is the equivalent of the "Advanced Balanced Crossbow" technique.

-I filled out the tables on the Tinkering Products page on Elanthipedia. I'll start filling out the individual item pages after I collect more data.

~Engineering Savant Ascot Ryuzzaki, Grayroot of Elanthia

-I think the "Balance Crossbow Crafting" technique is supposed to be called the "Balanced Crossbow Crafting" technique.

* This is now fixed.


-The battle and forester's stonebows are listed as "short battle stonebow" and "short forester's stonebow". I don't think they're supposed to have the "short".

* This is now fixed.


-Currently the forester's stonebow and light crossbow templates are using the "Advanced Powerful Crossbows" technique. Should they be using the "Advanced Balanced Crossbows" technique like the heavy forester's crossbow? Forester's longbows and shortbows use the "Advance Light Bowcraft" technique which is the equivalent of the "Advanced Balanced Crossbow" technique.

* Yes, you are correct. I've corrected this. Please let me know if you find anything else that looks off.

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"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes

>>I made a sandalwood(simple) stonebow, using the command fire, or fire stonebow... it would not fire. However rarely using the command fire right worked, but this seemed random as to when or if it worked. I also made a sandalwood lobbing stonebow, and got the same bug.

Ranged combat is fixed in DRT.

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"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes