What mindstate is observing my class getting you to?

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Rev. Reene

A servant stops you and says, "Necromancers are not allowed to go there."

This is highly distressing. I thought observing taught way better than that.

Also,

Scholarship: 617 65% learning (3/34)
Teaching: 613 14% interested (12/34)

That's after teaching for awhile. Maybe it's the racial thing.

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Rev. Reene

A servant stops you and says, "Necromancers are not allowed to go there."

I should also mention that I was observing a Trader the other day teaching Perception...his skills are altogether unknown to me, but after about an hour to an hour and a half my Teaching was locked. This skill makes me want to rip hair out.

Thanks,
-Death's Nemesis Karthor

If I had to guess, I'd say that observing just takes the experience you would have gained from the class and swaps Teaching with the subject of the class. If the student is more highly skilled than the teacher, they wouldn't be gaining much experience in the subject of the class if they were just listening instead of observing. Consequently, this translates to pitiful Teaching experience for observing, which is obviously nonsensical in this particular case.

Thanks,
-Death's Nemesis Karthor

>> If the student is more highly skilled than the teacher, they wouldn't be gaining much experience in the subject of the class if they were just listening instead of observing. Consequently, this translates to pitiful Teaching experience for observing, which is obviously nonsensical in this particular case.

There's a problem with your theory, though.

Given...not much time really, I can get someone with 900 more ranks in a skill (primary for them, secondary for me) than I have to high mindstates.

I have to wonder if it's a case of mismatched skillsets or something. Smegul and I have been doing some testing but we're not done yet.

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Rev. Reene

A servant stops you and says, "Necromancers are not allowed to go there."

Learnable or not teaching still does nothing for the one doing the teaching.

I keep hoping this'll change. Maybe Dart'll untweak observe experience as well as experience in the skill being taught.

And fix TEACH OPEN to override demeanor.

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Rev. Reene

A servant stops you and says, "Necromancers are not allowed to go there."

<<And fix TEACH OPEN to override demeanor.

This please. I'm officially joining Reene's crusade to have this fixed. Its a royal pain. Seriously.

-Evran

* Prophet Hotoke Fuku-Nyorai snuck out of the shadow he was hiding in.

<<I'm pretty sure you know this already, but they set it to make demeanor override teach open on purpose... So if it changes, it wouldn't be 'fixing' it, just making it different.

/sigh

Yes, if you are reserved or cold your classes start out as closed. That is working as intended and not what needs changing.

The bug (yes there is a bug people!) is that using TEACH OPEN will not let you manually change your class to open. It messages to the teacher that the class is open, but to any potential students the class is still closed.

-Evran

* Prophet Hotoke Fuku-Nyorai snuck out of the shadow he was hiding in.

<<Sigh all you want, but I'm inclined to disagree with you on that it is a bug.

The problem with that theory is that the messaging doesn't indicate that at all. The messaging should match the designed function, yes? Right now a class appears as OPEN, but messages as CLOSED when trying to join with zero indication why. In fact, when you use TEACH OPEN while in the reserved/cold state, it tells you your class is now open to everyone. Clearly it is not.

If its not the function thats buggy, then its the messaging. Either fix the messaging or the fuction, whichever the GMs decide to consider the worst offender. My vote is for the function. Right now its a mashed together piece of bugginess.

-Evran

* Prophet Hotoke Fuku-Nyorai snuck out of the shadow he was hiding in.

> >> I'm pretty sure you know this already, but they set it to make demeanor override teach open on purpose... So if it changes, it wouldn't be 'fixing' it, just making it different.

> Changing a bad design decision counts as fixing in my book.


See, here's the thing. The demeanor thing was put in by the request of multiple players. Now I have multiple players wanting it out. It boils down to a no-win scenario -- I leave it, some people will be upset. I remove it, some people will be upset, since it was requested by players in the first place.

At some point I'll see if I can get some backend stuff added by onsite that'll let me meet in the middle, but in the grand scheme of things there are far far bigger fish to be frying right now.


- GM Dartenian

Though my soul may set in darkness it will rise in perfect light. I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night! - Sarah Williams

> Now I have multiple players wanting it out. It boils down to a no-win scenario -- I leave it, some people will be upset. I remove it, some people will be upset, since it was requested by players in the first place.

How is defaulting to closed (for reserved/cold demeanor) but having the option to set it open not meeting in the middle? That's all we really want. The messaging tries to tell you that is what's happening, but that is not what actually occurs.

~Hunter Hanryu
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls

Hmm, yeah I had Naga's Blessing going at the Temple Charging. Let's try it out IG, a lot of people don't play Grace at higher mana so you don't notice the difference much. But a capped grace actually decreases the pulse time, rherefore increasing learning.


- Terra

Alexii isn't lore prime, though.

I can say quite honestly that locking as a lore secondary is beyond easy.

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Rev. Reene

A servant stops you and says, "Necromancers are not allowed to go there."