New to mining question 10/18/2014 06:45 PM CDT

So I have recently taken up some mining and have accumulated several backpacks full of Lumium, Platinum, Darkstone , etc... My Forging skills are still quite low so I don't make the best ingots. 60-70 purity range.... Am a costing myself (losing value, volume, etc..) by trying to reduce the quantity of the nuggets and shards by smelting them down? What is the best way to unload some of this metal? My trader shop? gweth? Standing in the forge yelling "metals here, metals here"?

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Dram
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Re: New to mining question 10/18/2014 07:13 PM CDT
>>Am a costing myself (losing value, volume, etc..) by trying to reduce the quantity of the nuggets and shards by smelting them down?

The benefit both you and a potential buyer gets from ingot form should far outweigh the cost in lower quality. 60-70 isn't even that bad -- a good smith should not mind. And you will improve quickly.

>>What is the best way to unload some of this metal?

Well, I buy metals in bulk, for one. My IM is Eyuve if you want to contact me about price.

Selling ingots in your shop is another good option. They should sell pretty well just in their raw form, but will probably sell like hotcakes if you combine them with bronze into a "work order ingot". I believe the standard is something like 70% bronze, 30% silver for a work order ingot, but you can substitute other high-value things for the silver (though perhaps talk to your local smiths about what they'd like). You will probably want to sell them at max size (210 volumes), both to please customers and to maximize your use of space. I'm afraid I don't know their typical price offhand, but local smiths should know. You can also of course gweth when you put out a new batch, just be careful not to gweth too often. Remember that you are reaching everyone with a gweth, and only maybe 1% will want your wares.

Good luck.


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Re: New to mining question 10/30/2014 02:03 PM CDT


Follow up question....


"You will probably want to sell them at max size (210 volumes), both to please customers and to maximize your use of space."

The 210 volume figure is unrefined? I refined a 210 batch of lumium to 99% but only 193 volume. I read previously that someone prefers buying 200 volume 99% ingots... How is that possible? Thanks.


Dram
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Re: New to mining question 10/30/2014 02:06 PM CDT
>The 210 volume figure is unrefined? I refined a 210 batch of lumium to 99% but only 193 volume. I read previously that someone prefers buying 200 volume 99% ingots... How is that possible? Thanks.

Toss 193 volumes from one. Cut off 17 from another. Mix. Pull out 210 volumes.



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Re: New to mining question 10/30/2014 04:29 PM CDT


I put in a total of 210, fluxed, and was left with 193. If I take that 193 refined and add 17 refined will I still have 99%? If I add 17 to the 193 refined do I flux again? Won't I lose some if I reflux?
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Re: New to mining question 10/30/2014 04:42 PM CDT
> If I take that 193 refined and add 17 refined will I still have 99%?

Assuming your skill is above a certain minimum (100ish?), and your tools aren't overly damaged, then yes. And even if it does drop, it will only be by a few points. Speaking as a forger, anything from 80-99 purity is all the same to me.
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Re: New to mining question 10/30/2014 05:26 PM CDT
How did you end up with 193 volume after refining 210 volume? Shouldn't you lose 50% without the proficient metal refining technique and 80% with? Meaning, you should end up with either 105 or 168 volume after fluxing.
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Re: New to mining question 10/30/2014 05:27 PM CDT
You lose less if you only need to refine a small amount of impurity away.

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Re: New to mining question 10/30/2014 06:22 PM CDT
I believe it's a 50% loss without the tech and 20% with it.
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Re: New to mining question 10/30/2014 06:30 PM CDT
>I believe it's a 50% loss without the tech and 20% with it.

Technically, it's 1 per 2 or fraction of, or 1 per 5 or fraction of.

I.E., 5 drops to 2 or 4, 6 (5+1) drops to 3 or 4.



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Re: New to mining question 10/30/2014 06:52 PM CDT

"I believe it's a 50% loss without the tech and 20% with it."


That's what I thought. I have the technique so I was expecting to lose 42 volume and be left with 168. Obviously at 193 I didn't lose 20%. The ingot being refined was 85% pure, that must be the factor giving a greater final volume. Unless skill plays a role too.... So to address my original question, I don't add flux when I combine the 193 ingot and the 17 ingot? I would just accept the drop in purity.

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Re: New to mining question 10/30/2014 09:42 PM CDT
If you aren't that far from 99% purity, you won't 'use up' the entire amount that your refining would require. Say you are at 95% purity and you are refining, you might only use up 8% (made up number) rather than the 20% your tech would normally use. Kodius put this in quite a while ago so as to not punish people to much that were refining and ending up not quite at the cap and wanting to refine again to reach top purity.
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Re: New to mining question 10/31/2014 12:12 AM CDT
>So to address my original question, I don't add flux when I combine the 193 ingot and the 17 ingot? I would just accept the drop in purity.

No, what I meant is that you'd refine two (or more) ingots and use some from one to bring the other(s) up to the full 210.

That's why most people I've seen who sell these do them in huge batches.



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Re: New to mining question 10/31/2014 07:55 AM CDT
If I understand the math, you would create 2 ingots of 193 volume and high purity.

Then you cut 17 volume off one of the two, and combine these high purity ingots together to get 1 high purity ingot at 210 volume.

Since both are already high purity, you don't need to flux it again, correct?

Then you simply keep repeating this, whittling down your now 176 volume ingot every time. You should be able to get about 11 sets of 210 volume ingots out of this.



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Re: New to mining question 10/31/2014 08:35 AM CDT
> Since both are already high purity, you don't need to flux it again, correct?

That's right.
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