>>General Crafting Trolling

Isn't all of this considered Mech Abuse so reporting it to a GM it should be punishable and recoverable?

>>Sounds like a band aid for a bullet wound. We need a real solution other than "report and move on"

Do we? How often is this happening? This could very easily be a situation where the time it takes to code up a solution is much greater than the time investment for fixing the individual mech abuse incidents.

Again, I agree it's an issue and should be fixed, I'd just rather see Enchanting/Reagents get worked on more.

> I think it's smart to make it so someone can't clear an anvil unless they're the one working on the project

Sure, but then someone will start a project on all anvils.

This already happens in Shard, someone feels obliged to leave 5 volume bronze ingots on the anvils. I run into it about 3-4 times week. Your suggestion would make forging there almost impossible given the stress (usage) on the current 4 anvils in the Shard society.

Rehlyn

Well, see, there's the linchpin of why everything you're saying is wrong. There's the fulcrum. There's the centerpiece. There's the turkey on the Thanksgiving table.

>>We're talking a timer long enough for them to complete the crafting action, and start their next action. That long.

Yep. Something like this already [basically] exits for putting items on the ground, so items having timers associated with item ownership already exists (and item ownership determining if someone can do something with an item like pick it up) isn't exactly breaking entirely new ground.

Would it require some coding? Sure, but I'm also skeptical that a minor QoL improvement is going to throw off entire systems from being developed.

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Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.

>>It never ceases to amaze me how this community will defend bad design decisions to the bitter end, especially when it comes to not actually reading but a few words of the initial post.

No one is advocating that it isn't silly that you can clean other people's anvils while they're in the middle of using them.

>>I can't really buy the "oh god don't ask for this they'll push back enchanting" line because well it's been "ready to release" for over a year now with practically no word since then.

There's been plenty said about Enchanting in the last year.

>>That's a really complex system, and comparatively this is a rudimentary fix. It's laughable that you'd even compare the two.

This conversation is a great example of how we (the non-GM player base) doesn't really get to make that call. Sure it could be an easy fix or maybe it requires a full proposal, several hours of dev time to create a solution, more time to QC that solution, and then more time to apply it to every anvil in the game. We don't really know. You made a suggestion about something you see as a problem, I was pointing out that maybe the one guy they have working on Crafting might be better used not doing menial bug fixes that are a clear example of Mech Abuse. Have you reported people that have done this to you? Maybe talked to them and see if they're even aware they messed with you? Or taken any initiative to fix the problem other than demanding dev time be put directly towards it and more anvils be created on the forums?

The problem with community tools is that they are just that... community tools. The SimuCoin forging wands can be locked so that only one person can use the summoned equipment. If you're worried about someone messing with your forging with super-rare materials, take precautions, and don't make your item in the Crossing Forging Society.

If you are worried about people abusing it by starting projects on multiple anvils make the timer 2 sided. +

You start a project the anvil is yours for two minutes, that timer resets on each crafting interaction.
Starting a project or any crafting interaction locks you out of using any other anvil for 5 minutes.

Nobody can touch your project unless you abandon it. You can't troll the rest of the crafting society. Same timers should apply to smelting.

~Kehlbins

> @BRHODES

You're off the rails, and you need to return the strawmen and indignation back to the corn maze. I guarantee you that if you or someone is trolling now then they will continue to do so after many man hours were put in to test your plan. Why? Because it doesn't solve the core problem. It just solves the way that someone could create the problem.

>I think the holy grail here is to instance anvils. You have a single arch. Go arch, and it spawns a room only for you and your group.

Must admit at first glance I kinda dismissed the OP offhand(don't work on rare mats you don't want to lose in the middle of a crime-infested metropolis), but on the surface this seems like a decent suggestion. No idea how resource intensive it would be, the dwarf that polices the vaults for loitering gives me pause as to why he exists (I assume it's from the early days in Crossing when people would 'line up'), and it would cut random positive stranger interaction from almost never to never, but I dig it.

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>get coin
You try to get some mounds of platinum coins, but they're out of reach.
>wail
You begin an eerie, warbling wail of despair.

Looks like for $100 you can fix the problem via microtrans? It's a terrible solution, but it's almost certainly the only one that's going to get any support from a red-name. I've been asking for more forges in Ilithi and was told it would take to much time. And this was just reopening an existing forge in Shadow Clan, not new mechanics or anything.

https://elanthipedia.play.net/Item:Magma-red_wand_capped_with_a_fist-sized_steel_anvil

~Hunter Hanryu
>You know how map makers use to be "Here be dragons"? Old DR code is like that. Except instead of dragons there are Lovecraftian horrors made out of well-intentioned psuedo-code.~Raesh

>wave wand
With a flick of the wrist, you whisk the wand about in front of you. A complete forge and smelting equipment pop into existence!

You also see a magma-red anvil, a slack tub filled with water, a magma-red grindstone, a glowing magma-red forge, a pile of fuel and a magma-red crucible.

You analyze every minute detail of the magma-red anvil and smile knowingly to yourself.
This appears to be a crafting tool and it is in pristine condition (98-100%).
This solid slab of metal is used as the foundation for forging.
The workmanship is masterfully-crafted (12/12).
Assessing the anvil's durability, you determine it is highly protected against damage (13/18).
This tool appears to be tremendously effective (11/11) at increasing crafting speed.

You analyze every minute detail of the slack tub and smile knowingly to yourself.
This appears to be a crafting tool and it is in pristine condition (98-100%).
A wooden tub containing water or brine that allows for quick cooling of forged metal.
The workmanship is of exceptional (10/12) quality.
Assessing the tub's durability, you determine it is extremely resistant to damage (15/18).
This tool appears to be extremely ineffective (3/11) at increasing crafting speed.

You analyze every minute detail of the magma-red grindstone and smile knowingly to yourself.
This appears to be a crafting tool and it is in pristine condition (98-100%).
A circular stone that can be turned to speed it up, and then pushed with items to grind them.
The workmanship is masterfully-crafted (12/12).
Assessing the grindstone's durability, you determine it is rather reinforced against damage (11/18).
This tool appears to be tremendously effective (11/11) at increasing crafting speed.

You analyze every minute detail of the magma-red forge and smile knowingly to yourself.
This appears to be a crafting tool and it is practically in mint condition (90-97%).
A stone hearth filled with glowing coals that is used to heat metal to extreme temperatures.
The workmanship is masterfully-crafted (12/12).
Assessing the forge's durability, you determine it is highly protected against damage (13/18).
This tool appears to be tremendously effective (11/11) at increasing crafting speed.

You analyze every minute detail of the magma-red crucible and smile knowingly to yourself.
This appears to be a crafting tool and it is in pristine condition (98-100%).
These crucibles hold materials for smelting and alchemy.
The workmanship is masterfully-crafted (12/12).
Assessing the crucible's durability, you determine it is extremely resistant to damage (15/18).
This tool appears to be tremendously effective (11/11) at increasing crafting speed.


Strangely enough, the forge was summoned damaged and the slack tub analyzes exactly the same as the society tubs. I would think it would be master crafted just like the other tools.

It's been a week now, and the same brand new characters are hanging out in the forge rooms. I guess we just won't see anything at all happen here and we just have to deal with a broken system. I guess it doesn't matter anyway, since MT items are better than anything you can forge.

An issue I'd see is that storage vaults can only hold one person at a time, say you have rosewood, platinum, blackwood & ironwood. My char can go into rose if no one else is on rose but if they are my character cant go into that arch.

I agree something should be done but to me it seems the code is so old & tangled that they may not be able too? Hopefully I'm wrong.

Maybe an option is to make it a room, like the work rooms in the societies are? Put a latch on them like the inn rooms, once latched no one from outside can enter until you log off which puts you back outside the room. Dont know how it will stop people from just running a sleep script in there but it might make it a bit quieter.