I believe there is a timer one repeating the same tactic on the same mob, try rotating different manuevers killing the thing and starting on a new one.

If you use Genie, use Geniehunter and empathic brawling. It's all non-attack moves and I can lock my tactics with it, takes a bit, but it happens. Circle 19 bard.

>I can lock my tactics with it, takes a bit, but it happens

As stated in my original post, I know how to lock Tactics, it's just stupid to repeatedly debuff an opponent I'm not planning to kill until I stop debuffing it for ten minutes straight. To me it kind of falls under the category of "things no sane adventure would do just to train the skill" which we're trying to avoid.

>Try alternating between your attacks and circle/weave. I find weave is also a lot more fatiguing than circling.

This would probably work, but weaving that often would tank my fatigue. I think weaving is the best teacher, but I have no evidence to support that. Right now, I get to about 4/32 when I use bob/throw for my thrown routine. But that's when thrown locks.

I guess my question is, do Tactics maneuvers not award experience based on the level of success like weapons/TM? I don't see this kind of difference between my Primary/Secondary combat skills in other guilds. It feels like Tactics maneuvers award a set amount of experience, regardless of how much you beat the defender by.

Another issue is that Tactics maneuvers are not meant to be used back to back ad nauseum. You use one, then take advantage of the opponents reduced balance/defenses, or your extra fatigue or whatever. This is different than every other combat skill that is trained ad nauseum, i.e. SLICE, SLICE, SLICE, SLICE.

Elemental Lord Opieus, Master Warrior Mage of Elanthia
"For a bunch of radical empiricists, the Philosophers' system relies on a whole lot of faith." ~Armifer

>>Emicarn: If you use Genie, use Geniehunter and empathic brawling. It's all non-attack moves and I can lock my tactics with it, takes a bit, but it happens.

Geniehunter has also been modified to add tactics training to regular melee hunting.

http://www.genieclient.com/bulletin/files/file/175-geniehunter-30-and-geniebuff-30/

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Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall rank!

>>I think weaving is the best teacher

SHOVE also teaches decently, though still not quite as well as WEAVE I don't think.

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>>A new method for training Tactics is nearly complete.

Oh snap!! <3

Thanks Kodius!!

~ Leilond
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The Crossing general store now carries Stratego boards. Find a challenging opponent and train your tactics skill. Don't mind the 1500 second roundtime.

I can wait.

-sits patiently, and does other things, as he imagines what awesome and sick things he will be able to do to things above his abilities-

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>i believe that the 'new way to train' that kodius mentioned is to analyze the target, then perform the specific combination of moves on said creature.

Which is great and all, except if you're an Empath with gaping holes in the Construct critter ladder. 50-100, 400-550, 700-900, maybe 275-350 are notable gaps.

Doubly so for skinnable constructs, of which there is 1 critter (gargoyle) coming in 3 species, 1 which is premium-only (of which I am, but anyways).

Please, for the love of god, more constructs, and MORE skinnable constructs.

Make existing constructs PARTS skinnable and use the parts in enchanting or something.

Kaeta Airtag

>>Actually an opinion cannot be changed or corrected. Nice try back of line.-VERATHOR
>>But it can be wrong.-Starlear

Here's the list, including rank ranges.

http://elanthipedia.org/w/index.php/Constructs

According to that, the major gaps are 50-100, 450-500, and 700- whatever lava drakes are.

Skinnable critters are 100-155, (135 to 240 if you're premie), 300-375, and then lava drakes.

Origami critters will get you to 50, but the next creature is granite gargoyles (100 minimum). That's where I find my empath now, and I'm training a bunch of different weapons just to get my melee mastery high enough that I can actually hit gargoyles. It would also be nice if there was a spot in granite gargs where there were no snow beasts, because I'm worried I'm just a typo away from a shock scar.

Construct gaps aside, you can learn Tactics just fine as a Lore primary by analyzing and NOT executing the combo. Especially if you have four enemies through which to cycle until they're all at massive openings. The only problem is that you're not actually doing anything this way, and experience is the only thing you get out of it. It would be nice if the maneuvers that actually have an effect awarded a bit more experience, or if there were non-damaging Tactical combos that could be used.

Thanks,
-Life Sustainer Karthor

>This has death spirits and skunks mixed in too, though?

It's all gargs on the far west side where the directions are mostly east-west. Death spirits are only in the blueberry field on the east side and skunks are non-combatant unless attacked; and even then, they don't do much. If you make them mad with an AREA cast of NB or something you can just change rooms.

>>I hunted there in my youth and this is not entirely true. Occasional death spirits will wander into the area.

They explicitly changed it in the last year or so.

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