> Generating. If you start with a full mind and just sit and drain, it's not going to add in extra appraisal exp.
Cool, thanks.
ILLIENA
ILLIENA
Re: Appraise Focus
11/16/2014 04:42 PM CST
So the minimum research time is 4 minutes, which is achieved when the target skill is at least 400 ranks below appraisal. Using it on a skill that's 400 ranks above appraisal, I get 12 minutes of research time (and approximately 50% less experience). Has anyone gotten a larger research time?
ILLIENA
Re: Appraise Focus
11/16/2014 09:51 PM CST
Small bug: When a focus ends, you get the intended block that prevents you from restarting the same focus again, and you can see this if you use app focus check. However, if you start researching another focus and then end that research period early, the block on the original focus remains, but you can no longer see it if you use app focus check.
DR-RICINUS
Re: Appraise Focus
11/16/2014 10:46 PM CST
>>However, if you start researching another focus and then end that research period early, the block on the original focus remains, but you can no longer see it if you use app focus check.
Fixed.
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Fixed.
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ASDF123
Re: Appraise Focus
11/20/2014 09:05 PM CST
Thank you!
All i can say is that i am extremely pleased by this new verb. The appraisal train method is something that was definitely really really needed.
Thank you
All i can say is that i am extremely pleased by this new verb. The appraisal train method is something that was definitely really really needed.
Thank you
NINEVAH1
Re: Appraise Focus
11/21/2014 05:47 AM CST
Just want to add my thank you also. I locked this skill for the first time in a long time.
LOREALI6
Re: Appraise Focus
11/23/2014 01:30 AM CST
I am a bit confused why it lets one start an APP FOCUS if you are doing something that will cause it to fail.
Also I am confused if all cyclics make the APP FOCUS fail, or it is specific to Bard's cyclics.
And also about the third line, of the enchant stopping, even though it really has not done so.
(Faenella's Grace up and running) App Focus (anything, tried lore, weapons,etc. Didn't matter)
(a bit of time passes, song cycles....)
Are you sure you want to do that? You'll interrupt your research!
[Enter your command again if you want to.]
Your studious inspiration fades without the rhythmically infectious cadence to guide you.
(conc)You sense the Faenella's Grace spell upon you, which will last until you fail to provide 15 mana for it.
Your voice takes on an almost lyrical quality as you reach the chorus of Faenella's Grace, each word flowing to the next with a seamless ease.
Distracted by your spellcasting, you forget what you were researching.
You are not currently researching a project, though you recall starting one recently that you could continue.
Thanks! Linett
Also I am confused if all cyclics make the APP FOCUS fail, or it is specific to Bard's cyclics.
And also about the third line, of the enchant stopping, even though it really has not done so.
(Faenella's Grace up and running) App Focus (anything, tried lore, weapons,etc. Didn't matter)
(a bit of time passes, song cycles....)
Are you sure you want to do that? You'll interrupt your research!
[Enter your command again if you want to.]
Your studious inspiration fades without the rhythmically infectious cadence to guide you.
(conc)You sense the Faenella's Grace spell upon you, which will last until you fail to provide 15 mana for it.
Your voice takes on an almost lyrical quality as you reach the chorus of Faenella's Grace, each word flowing to the next with a seamless ease.
Distracted by your spellcasting, you forget what you were researching.
You are not currently researching a project, though you recall starting one recently that you could continue.
Thanks! Linett
ABSOLON
Re: Appraise Focus
11/23/2014 01:51 AM CST
Any spell casting will break it, and cyclics are a subset of that so every time it pulses (i.e. casts) it will break it. And not just for Bards. Also, it uses the exact same mechanism that RESEARCH does, so if there's anything different than that it should be reported, but everything in your post appears working as intended from what I can tell.
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LOREALI6
Re: Appraise Focus
11/23/2014 01:56 AM CST
Another Bard I know who was one of the "broken Bards" can have a cyclic up and research without it ending.
So it seems to be wonky, in some way.
I do not do RESEARCH so have nothing to reference in that way.
:) Linett
So it seems to be wonky, in some way.
I do not do RESEARCH so have nothing to reference in that way.
:) Linett
ABSOLON
Re: Appraise Focus
11/23/2014 01:59 AM CST
Hmm... now you have me second guessing if I can research with a cyclic up or not. I'll report back when I get home in a few minutes.
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DREAMWEAVER
Re: Appraise Focus
11/23/2014 02:07 AM CST
And yet, Linett, my GJ continued just fine after the focus on the shark.
If I stopped it, of course, I could not prep a new song.
So something seems kinda wonky here.
~D.
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Singing since before the Guild was restored.
If I stopped it, of course, I could not prep a new song.
So something seems kinda wonky here.
~D.
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~Dreamheart Delaevan Forestwolf
Singing since before the Guild was restored.
ABSOLON
Re: Appraise Focus
11/23/2014 02:29 AM CST
Okay, I just tested and I'm able to maintain a cyclic spell (tested both SoV and SLS) both during a RESEARCH and an APPRAISE FOCUS session. What you might want to do Linett is take a look at this list of things that work/don't work in conjunction with RESEARCH and see what else is not working the same way for you for either APP FOCUS or RESEARCH, and then post a list in the LORE bug folder. https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Magical_Research#Other_Actions_During_Research
Maybe try other cyclics, too. It might just be something specific to Faenella's Grace because of the way the spell works or something. Things like knowing GROUP CASTING or TEAM PLAYER or AREA CASTING might make a difference too. (I know none of these, personally.)
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Maybe try other cyclics, too. It might just be something specific to Faenella's Grace because of the way the spell works or something. Things like knowing GROUP CASTING or TEAM PLAYER or AREA CASTING might make a difference too. (I know none of these, personally.)
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DR-RICINUS
Re: Appraise Focus
11/23/2014 03:41 AM CST
If I had to guess I'd say you were being affected by an Area spell from another player that was causing the weirdness. More details as to what that may have been would help me track it down. As of right now, there's nothing about cyclics that is flagged to prevent/stop research of any type, though whether that remains the case I can't say at the moment.
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REAVER1
Re: Appraise Focus
11/23/2014 03:47 AM CST
Any chance of having SWIM removed from the list of what interrupts appraise focus/research?
I can enter cardinal directions to swim through rooms but actually using SWIM <direction> isn't possible.
Not a huge issue but thought I'd bring it up!
I can enter cardinal directions to swim through rooms but actually using SWIM <direction> isn't possible.
Not a huge issue but thought I'd bring it up!
DR-RICINUS
Re: Appraise Focus
11/23/2014 04:00 AM CST
Hmm, it should probably be doing something during cardinal swimming...
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ILLIENA
Re: Appraise Focus
11/23/2014 05:17 AM CST
> If I had to guess I'd say you were being affected by an Area spell from another player that was causing the weirdness.
That's not what's happening. I was able to duplicate (log below) with no one else around:
>prep fae 100
Since you're attempting to feed more power into the spell pattern than it is capable of utilizing, you quickly work your way down to its maximal potential.
That won't affect your current attunement very much.
You hear the mesmerizing cadence of Faenella's Grace in your mind, as you trace your finger along mana streams around you in introduction.
>release cyclic
>cast
You have no cyclic spell active to release.
You give sudden voice to the chanting that dances in your thoughts, as you release an accompaniment of elemental air into the rhythm. Your mind focuses on the regular rhythms, enhancing your attention to study.
Your voice takes on an almost lyrical quality as you reach the chorus of Faenella's Grace, each word flowing to the next with a seamless ease.
You feel enlightened by the infectious chant, its easy-to-follow rhythms heightening your capacity to study.
>app focus book
You carefully examine your blacksmithing book, focusing beyond any individual details. Instead you concentrate your efforts toward honing your knowledge of forging based on its abstract.
Roundtime: 14 sec.
Are you sure you want to do that? You'll interrupt your research!
[Enter your command again if you want to.]
Your studious inspiration fades without the rhythmically infectious cadence to guide you.
>app focus check
You are currently researching a project involving forging.
You feel like you have made some progress toward your goal.
Distracted by your spellcasting, you forget what you were researching.
You feel enlightened by the infectious chant, its easy-to-follow rhythms heightening your capacity to study.
That's not what's happening. I was able to duplicate (log below) with no one else around:
>prep fae 100
Since you're attempting to feed more power into the spell pattern than it is capable of utilizing, you quickly work your way down to its maximal potential.
That won't affect your current attunement very much.
You hear the mesmerizing cadence of Faenella's Grace in your mind, as you trace your finger along mana streams around you in introduction.
>release cyclic
>cast
You have no cyclic spell active to release.
You give sudden voice to the chanting that dances in your thoughts, as you release an accompaniment of elemental air into the rhythm. Your mind focuses on the regular rhythms, enhancing your attention to study.
Your voice takes on an almost lyrical quality as you reach the chorus of Faenella's Grace, each word flowing to the next with a seamless ease.
You feel enlightened by the infectious chant, its easy-to-follow rhythms heightening your capacity to study.
>app focus book
You carefully examine your blacksmithing book, focusing beyond any individual details. Instead you concentrate your efforts toward honing your knowledge of forging based on its abstract.
Roundtime: 14 sec.
Are you sure you want to do that? You'll interrupt your research!
[Enter your command again if you want to.]
Your studious inspiration fades without the rhythmically infectious cadence to guide you.
>app focus check
You are currently researching a project involving forging.
You feel like you have made some progress toward your goal.
Distracted by your spellcasting, you forget what you were researching.
You feel enlightened by the infectious chant, its easy-to-follow rhythms heightening your capacity to study.
ILLIENA
Re: Appraise Focus
11/23/2014 05:19 AM CST
> I was able to duplicate (log below) with no one else around:
And I can duplicate with HODI, so it's not FAE specific.
And I can duplicate with HODI, so it's not FAE specific.
DR-RICINUS
Re: Appraise Focus
11/23/2014 05:48 AM CST
Ah, it's the area affect from your own spell doing it. Probably won't happen with cyclics that don't affect yourself, or that affect yourself without accessing the AOE mechanics. I need to add some other stuff into the research mode code anyways, I might poke at getting things to act more consistent with cyclics as well while I'm in there.
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SCHULTZS3
Re: Appraise Focus
11/23/2014 08:38 PM CST
486 Appraisal, 245 Engineering
Baseline drain 1.10
With app focus 1.14
3.6% faster
611 App, 228 Sorcery
Baseline 2.17
w/ App Focus 2.31
6.5% faster
611 App, 1021 Astrology
Baseline .40 (average of .401%)
w/ App Focus .42 (.422% average of 5 pulses) or .434% (possibly faulty entry)
5.2%/8.2% faster
796 App, 959 Forging (highest skill)
Baseline .44
w/ App Focus .47
6.8% faster
I'm having problems finding a way to APP FOCUS SKINNING to do a 796 App, 380 Skinning test. Various skinning/belt knives either don't work or start SE.
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Baseline drain 1.10
With app focus 1.14
3.6% faster
611 App, 228 Sorcery
Baseline 2.17
w/ App Focus 2.31
6.5% faster
611 App, 1021 Astrology
Baseline .40 (average of .401%)
w/ App Focus .42 (.422% average of 5 pulses) or .434% (possibly faulty entry)
5.2%/8.2% faster
796 App, 959 Forging (highest skill)
Baseline .44
w/ App Focus .47
6.8% faster
I'm having problems finding a way to APP FOCUS SKINNING to do a 796 App, 380 Skinning test. Various skinning/belt knives either don't work or start SE.
Kaeta Airtag
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>>But it can be wrong.-Starlear
ABSOLON
Re: Appraise Focus
11/23/2014 11:26 PM CST
<<I'm having problems finding a way to APP FOCUS SKINNING to do a 796 App, 380 Skinning test. Various skinning/belt knives either don't work or start SE.
Based on the second half of your statement I'm pretty sure you're aware of this, but you would use APP FOCUS KNIFE. I.e. The focus is being done on the item, not the skill.
That said, it no longer appears to be working correctly or the person who filled out that entry on elanthipedia just took a guess and didn't verify. It was one of the first listed, so I'm going to assume that it actually worked and guess taht something about the fix that was made to ranged weapons in the left hand teaching brawling broke it.
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Based on the second half of your statement I'm pretty sure you're aware of this, but you would use APP FOCUS KNIFE. I.e. The focus is being done on the item, not the skill.
That said, it no longer appears to be working correctly or the person who filled out that entry on elanthipedia just took a guess and didn't verify. It was one of the first listed, so I'm going to assume that it actually worked and guess taht something about the fix that was made to ranged weapons in the left hand teaching brawling broke it.
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DR-RICINUS
Re: Appraise Focus
11/23/2014 11:52 PM CST
Yeah, the order I set the item checks up is apparently really finicky. Skinning should be back to working without breaking anything else.
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