When: Sat, Sept 8th at 9pm EST

Location: Allies of the Immortals may gather at the gate to the Crossing Temple (DIR TEMPLE within the Crossing for directions). Others may contact Nefis in game for more information.

After a scholar claimed to have discovered an important historical artifact, a struggle has ensued to determine its ultimate fate. Please join us, and lend your aid to your allies! All are welcome, but please come with plenty of favors.

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This event is open to the community, and no background with the story is necessary.

But if you'd like to learn more about the lore surrounding the crown/circlet, Vorclaf, or the “Eye of Light” gem, feel free to contact Tirost, Angel or Navesi in game.

If you're interested in joining the adventurer's strike team, feel free to contact Mazrian or Tirost.

If you're interested in joining the Dark Side, please contact Nefis.

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The story so far:

Following clues from a partially deciphered notebook, Tirost went in search of his missing friend Lasika, and instead found a chest hidden in a cave in Arthe Dale. Inside the chest was a warped silver crown bearing a strange gem, along with a note with a message in Gamgweth. Tirost went to Throne City in order to research the note and the crown, and developed a theory that the crown may have once been a part of a thin silver circlet Vorclaf wore when he died fighting Lyras. Tirost sent word to his friend Olave to ask any interested scholars to meet with him outside of Aesmath Academy. At the meeting, when Tirost revealed the crown to those in attendance, a powerful necromancer named Nefis severed the tendons of his arm with magic, and one of the necromancer's accomplices made off with the crown in the ensuing chaos.

Afterward, several adventurers deciphered all of Lasika's journal, which communicated the delusions under which Lasika sought to make use of the silver crown, as well as clues to the location of others that might know about the origin of the recovered fragment. Azettie Poppy was asked to investigate the cave in Arthe Dale that contained the first fragment, while Kaelie, Oscearo and Tirost sought out people that knew Lasika during the time she was writing the journal.

The adventurers' investigation lead to an Olvi woman named Bellula, who had been treated with Lasika at a mental hospital in Riverhaven. Several adventurers met with Bellula in Arthe Dale, where she put various riddles to those in attendance, before admitting that Lasika had given her a silver crown, and entrusting it to Mazrian Daemondred. At the same meeting, Azettie arrived from searching the nearby cave, and found another coded note that was likely written by Lasika. As soon as Azettie handed the note to Tirost, Totenus attacked from the shadows and nearly severed Tirost's arm, though he managed to escape, sending the note with Mazrian in the hopes that it could be deciphered quickly by the True Bard Navesi Daerthon.

Eager to locate Nefis and make an attempt to recover the stolen crown, Tirost sought out the help of Ruea, whom he knew to have unparalleled skill in gathering intelligence, and Hanryu, the renown ranger of Ilithi. Both agreed to use their talents to help track down the time and place where Nefis might be in possession of the crown.

Meanwhile Navesi successfully deciphered the note Azettie had found, which contained vague directions to one of Lasika's countless hidden stashes. Those with access to the clues sought the third crown fragment, but, when Tirost found the location mentioned in the note, all he found was an empty chest, suggesting that its contents had been lately moved.

When Hanryu and Ruea managed to learn the time and location of Nefis's plans, a meeting was called to form a plan to reacquire the stolen piece. Believing the stolen crown to have once belonged to Prince Vorclaf, and eager to see the artifact returned to House Sorvendig of Zoluren, Tirost has been seeking allies to help win back the crown from the Perverse necromancers who will not part with it lightly.

>You know its ok to mention when an event requires someone to purchase a Visa pass at minimum to join in the event, I felt very interested in this and may have been persuaded in doing so had I known it ahead of time. :/


I wasn't involved, apart from being fodder, but apologies for that. I'd quite forgotten the travel restriction regarding destinations south of Zoluren. If I'm involved in anything in the future I'll be certain to check the status of that.

>>I'm so sorry to hear it required a visa. I thought that it only required one to go south of the gondola, and this one took place north of the gondola.<<

I didn't even think of that. The border is at the checkpoint a tiny bit north of the Gondola, and the Gash is south of that.

Good reason to subscribe, IMO. The game world is a lot bigger than Zoluren.

Mazrian

>>Personally, I loved the the fact that Discord was brought into the event -- good job. The metagaming based solely on my Discord name (NecroGnome / Necro Gnome Iconn / Totally Not a Necro Iconn) by several in your group resulted in Nsar being outed prematurely. But hey, at least I got a weak apology (sort of) from Whiteburn after her spell failed to kill me.

I'm under the impression people were skeptical of your character because he was unwilling to bend to their scrutiny at the previous meeting.

BTW, Nsar has publically casted Necro spells before. (At my own character, for instance.)

>>BTW, Nsar has publically casted Necro spells before. (At my own character, for instance.)

No clue 'who your character is' but Nsar publicly cast Necro spells while he was a BARD and was very open about it. I rerolled this character some months ago and have stayed completely off-grid, even in pvp events that I host and love to participate in, until Whiteburn did her thing last night. I've participated at Order events, planning events, and even anti-Necromancer events with zero issue to keep appearances up, mostly to avoid the same sort of quasi-OOC scrutiny that Iconn was subjected to.

Its tough enough to play a character that isnt on Team Good Guy without going over the top and being a hindrance to the folks around you. Its even tougher to try to keep one quiet without running off and hiding at every hint of possible conflict or potential disclosure. Having someone attempting to metagame another character and blowing up all that effort really makes it not worth the effort.

-N

>>No clue 'who your character is' but Nsar publicly cast Necro spells while he was a BARD and was very open about it.

I thought you were still a Bard who just gained a ton of necrojuice from casting them often enough. I think your outing is kind of pointless really, as you said yourself, you were basically known for using the same Kool-Aid.

That said, I don't think anyone was metagaming Iconn, he was at a previous meet where people were scrutinizing unknown persons, and Iconn suspiciously didn't accept that and left.

Whiteburn used HH to settle the issue about Iconn's person, and you got caught in the cross-fire.

A previous position by GMs that being outed is inevitable comes to mind here.

The issue to this all is simple.

The event was not handled correctly.

From the information that was given out OOC to the information given IC.

Many things happened that just shouldnt of happened as they did. There was no RP once the attackers came in. Not a word only assumption.

Nefis set this up with Tirost to bring the rest of the realms into a good place to RP with necromancers, and people got overzealous and did the thing they do best. Kill without rp.

There has to be a bit of leeway in these things. Necromancers normally work in the shadows and this event was planned to help bridge the gap for Role playing to the rest of the realms the involved Necromancers. The issues that came about were sad. The day had no RP besides the setup of both sides. OOC info got passed IC and left so much to be developed for.

We need to handle these things better. Yes fighting and killing should be part of the situation, but the issue wasnt that. The issue was this was suppose to be a big RP event that turned into 30 seconds of killing and that was that.

Lots of OOC info was shared and it turned out into team good guys KNEW exactly what was going on and knew where it was at so the only action they could take was to go in and kill.

I think the idea of these events is to make sure we have rp, and to draw out the play of the whole thing. We learned alot from this event and moving forward we should know to not spread as much information so we can have some fun figuring stuff out, roleplaying alot more, and enjoying the events we as players enjoy doing.

The understanding of this event should pull away with two things. This event went badly, and what can we do to make sure the next event goes better.

>You don't need a visa to go where the event occurred, just to use moongates that move between two zones (with the event area technically residing in the same zone as the northern outskirts of Ilithi rather than the southern outskirts of Zoluren).

Not sure what you're saying here, but the crux of event was "Ok everyone, gather at a Zoluren location, we're going to use a moongate to move to an Ilithi location and wont tell you this ahead of time, or where you can meet up or join from a Zoluren location." To that point, it was made unclear that events would be moving to non Zoluren locations and, being as interested as I was to participate in this roleplaying event (and it sounds like it could of seriously used someone who would of put in some effort), had I known ahead of time that it was going to start out by going to a Visa Required region, I would of likely purchased one.

Maybe put in the description, "This quest may require a subscription or a visa to participate in, please ask one of the event coordinators for additional detail." I think that's the kind of disclaimer people can get behind.





"I, for one, think it's nice to have new folks who are excited and already care enough about the game to offer suggestions. We need more of that." -Solomon

Thanks for being in my corner Solomon, come back soon.

>>Not sure what you're saying here, but the crux of event was "Ok everyone, gather at a Zoluren location, we're going to use a moongate to move to an Ilithi location and wont tell you this ahead of time, or where you can meet up or join from a Zoluren location." To that point, it was made unclear that events would be moving to non Zoluren locations and, being as interested as I was to participate in this roleplaying event (and it sounds like it could of seriously used someone who would of put in some effort), had I known ahead of time that it was going to start out by going to a Visa Required region, I would of likely purchased one.

>>Maybe put in the description, "This quest may require a subscription or a visa to participate in, please ask one of the event coordinators for additional detail." I think that's the kind of disclaimer people can get behind.

The reason it didn't is because nobody except a handful of people would even be aware that you can't take a moongate from Crossing to a place north of the gondola platform as f2p. Nor would they be aware that it's only a restriction as regards moongates; you can travel to the area on foot with no problems.

The reason it happens is because the zone map is a little bit wonky, much like many of the other systems underpinning the game we play.

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>>I definitely hear you on the problem of metagaming in general, but I think the cases of Iconn and Nsar in these instances are examples of good RP.

While I think it was awesome that Iconn would try to infiltrate a secret meeting, I think it actually would have been less true to the in game characters and circumstances if he wasn't vetted. Tirost had been attacked at least three times by necromancers in the course of those events, and it would have been ridiculous - to me at least - if he wasn't suspicious of anyone he didn't know. For those reasons, Tirost asked a cleric to check some people's favor with the immortals, and those who seemed suspicious were then asked to submit to an empath's touch. Iconn refused, which says a lot. Another character was vetted, passed, and remained in the meeting.

When Iconn showed up again right before it was time to launch the attack, Tirost actually asked Whiteburn - probably the most experienced and best known inquisitor in Elanthia - to take action, which resulted, ironically, in Nsar's death (whom Tirost believed to be a sorcerer like himself, and to whom he felt grateful for offering his help). In the end, I feel like both situations, which resulted in characters being exposed for necromancy, occured in ways that make a lot of sense for how necromancers taking those sorts of risks should be exposed in DR. I also thought it was really cool that Nsar, after reviving himself, dragged off another character and threatened to sacrifice her to the Hunger over gweth (which was really creepy, awesome, and a great improvised reaction to what took place that added a lot to the overall experience).<<

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First, Iconn is a Commoner, not a Necromancer, so he was not "exposed for necromancy" in any situation. Personally, I felt zero to little effort at RP towards him. For the first meeting, he followed some large group of people to someone's house out of curiosity, nobody (that I saw at least) tried to speak to him about WHY he doesn't have any favors (again, he is a COMMONER and hasn't died, so that problem hasn't come up yet) or even asked him what Guild he belonged to -- they went straight to "So-and-so is gunna touch you" without explaining the HOW and WHY of that. That is why he declined and left. The character that was vetted, by the way, was one of my other characters. Neither he nor Iconn are on "Team Bad Guy" (yet) and neither were there to infiltrate your meeting. Had that been my intent, a Commoner would have been perfect.

That second meeting at the temple, he stopped due to the crapload of people sitting there, something very much out of the ordinary. What bothers me is the fact that people KNEW (again, see my first comment - HE IS A COMMONER) that Iconn was a Necromancer. Be suspicious of people, by all means, I honestly expected that. But I also expected more effort on their part when dealing with someone unknown.

My actual Necromancer, by the way, has plenty of favors and is healed quite regularly by high level Empaths with no issues.

Reading through the comments and talking to others during the day it just seems that team good guys do not see it from the other side.

Team good gets to go to pretty much any open order event they want. They get to go about the freedom doing what they want even ripping a hole to another realm with little repercussion.

Very rarely do you get into any trouble for doing a single thing. You are team good guys everything you do is right, and you are given the benefit of the doubt on most.

As much as you guys said the rp was great last night. Lets make this clear.

The rp event was between the Good guys and the Bad guys. There was no rp interaction between good guys and bad guys. Therefore the rp failed badly.

Yes team good guy got 40 plus people there that rped and did whatever it is you do and that is great.

The situation wasnt for that though.

Nefis was kind enough to invite you to join a necromancer group to bridge the gap of RP. Normally Necromancers stick to ourselves do things in the shadows as our kits are built for that. We offered you guys a hand to join the great rp that the necromancers have been doing over this time and come join us. We placed ourselves in a place we normally wouldnt of been to do something we normally do. We placed ourselves in a situation that IC was very odd for us, but it was done so that Team Good Guy could join us, to RP with us.

Sadly that didnt happen. Not only did that didnt happen the complete information that was given ooc was ic. Not only was the area scouted before, but you knew exactly who was in there and why. No where in there did you even THINK to say hey these guys put alot of work into this why dont we rp this with them since they have given us a concession of setting this up.

Thats why the issue of Nsar and Iconn are an issue. Thats why this rp did not end well. We are here to have fun all of us. Fun in making rp happen without the GM assistance needs a bit of leeway. It was given by Team Bad Guy, but was not returned.

We as players need to find a better way to do this, There cant be this well we had fun screw the other side. We have to find common ground and come up with better ideas. Even now Team Bad guy are talking that we dont want to do this again because it was useless.

So please stop sitting there telling us how this went well, and we should deal with it, and instead find a solution for this not to happen again and not just say get over it it happens.

Uh yeah, lets see.
1- Not all of the "team Good Guys" knew Nsar was a necro, nor that Iconn may or may not be. My brain says he is, my heart (characters) are not so sure. And on behalf of my main & a "friend" who tagged along, neither meta'ed at all. Yeah, my friend may be a necro but I've been out of discord chat for 2 weeks or so prior to all this, for multiple reasons.
I havent been in necro chat or regular DR chat, so nope.
And any info I passed into necro chat didnt happen till after the event & wasnt specific about anything. It was comments about how fast it went, where my characters didnt attack anyone or anything (suffering storms during the time so I was lagging quite badly), but just stood by as the observers they've been during this & how it seemed a certain known necro's ahh spells seemed to cause more issues for the necros than the "good guys".

2- I also noticed it went to fast but when the "GG" walked into the "BG" area, your "risen" sort of preempted any chance at a discussion. Umm, par for the course maybe? I get you cant control those things too well, & while my baby didnt get attacked I play it off as they hid in the shadows & crevices so the risen couldnt find them. Yes, clerics spells are hell for you, do you expect folks like Whiteburn & Isharon to just stand there & let ya bash on them?

3- I was there when someone stole the first or maybe it was the second piece, due to RL issues I havent kept up with everything. So I wanted to make sure I made the ending of it, or what seems to be the end. It was interesting. Yes, Team GG brought too many folks but when I went through the log it was only maybe 10 or so folks who were actually casting spells. Face it Team BG, you really got done in more by your own "folks" & their spells plus Mazrian's spells, the clerics Red spiral spell & another who finished off Nsar I think (WM or someone who knew dragons breath to rip him apart).

I'm not saying I'm for one side over the other, as I said my main wm & a baby necro were there. Maybe next time a paladin like Isharon could cast banner, I was expecting it actually but with my lag I'd never see it. Other than that, stop tossing around the metagaming stuff, as you said lets learn from it & move on.

Lets try this again so that you understand

A. Necromancers are default bad guys no matter what. We cannot attend anything RP without repercussions unless we are unknown. Its something we deal with and work around by not only having rp among ourselves but continue to risk ourselves to involve others in our rp.

B. The events leading up to this was fun for the rest of the good guy team because you got to be part of the conversation, the lore the everything that goes on. We send risen to events and people kill them even THOUGH IC they are not suppose to know what they are. Yet again this is okay because its part of team good guy and everything team good guy does is good. The issue is an always will exist is Metagaming happens and we cant stop it. Claiming its not metagaming is just kind of out there. There were only a few necromancers involved with the behind the scenes leading up to this event, and even then it was not in such great amount that we were super involved with it.

C. There was some cordination between team good and bad, but understand that night was an invitation from team bad to join us to rp with us. Nefis DID SO WELL allowing himself to be tracked, to rp the info about his piece of the crown and to literally invite you to rp with the necromancers by playing AGAINST his nature. We as a group expect rp to happen.

D. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE FIGHT. Its about how you approached the fight. We knew from the moment this started we would lose. The losing wasnt the issue. It was that you didnt take the damn time to take into consideration to even FATHOM to rp with us before you killed us. Everyone got up and arms and said hey lets go kill this necromancers scum, instead of even for one blasted second taking the time to be like hey lets at LEAST talk to them first and find out whats going on. THE PROBLEM was you didnt RP with us. THE PROBLEM IS instead of rping with us you RPed among yourselves and call it a good day because hey you got rp. WE INVITED YOU TO THIS. Nefis could of made this private. He could of not leaked info. We can easily hide, easily do things in the shadows as our kits are setup for this. Understand again this is not me crying over spilled milk, its getting you to admit you did not take into consideration that rp goes both ways. YOU as a group jumped the gun. WE as a group need to find a better way to do this or you wont see us trying this again. It is that simple.


>>1- Not all of the "team Good Guys" knew Nsar was a necro, nor that Iconn may or may not be. My brain says he is, my heart (characters) are not so sure. And on >>behalf of my main & a "friend" who tagged along, neither meta'ed at all. Yeah, my friend may be a necro but I've been out of discord chat for 2 weeks or so >>prior to all this, for multiple reasons.

The sad truth is that you cant keep metagaming out of DR. Even though people werent there and even though alot of incidents shouldnt of been passed around you still have people OOC asking questions like how to tell if someone is a necro and if this person is a necro. Instead of playing IC and instead of playing things like they should been done what happened was people took info ooc and brought it ic meaning to or not. It wasnt a cool thing and it happened. Saying and keep saying that it didnt is false. I mean proof is in the scouting the area before the actual event. Come on now. Lets not argue that this didnt happen. It did happen, maybe not with you, but in the group of 40 it did happen.


>>2- I also noticed it went to fast but when the "GG" walked into the "BG" area, your "risen" sort of preempted any chance at a discussion. Umm, par for the >>course maybe? I get you cant control those things too well, & while my baby didnt get attacked I play it off as they hid in the shadows & crevices so the risen >>couldnt find them. Yes, clerics spells are hell for you, do you expect folks like Whiteburn & Isharon to just stand there & let ya bash on them?

A risen attacked you? first of all all of our zombies our actual attacking unit were set to defensive because they would attack each other if they were not. THE only reason something would of attacked is if you A. hit it first or B. hit the person who controlled it. C. Someone commanded it to attack. From the moment you guys walked in spells were already cast. There was no moment for anything of ours to attack before the spells were cast. I who was doing nothing more then talking, and from the moment you walked in I was stunned the entire time. I could do nothing. Not a thing. Damn but hey its all good somehow this makes what happened right? And expect folks to let us bash on them? We didnt bash on anyone. Again the focus is not on the pvp, the focus is you did nothing but pvp. You took 40 people against 8, and then sit there and tell us how threaten you were so you had to respond. This does not make sense and no insult to you, but risens cant do any damage to anything.


>>3- I was there when someone stole the first or maybe it was the second piece, due to RL issues I havent kept up with everything. So I wanted to make sure I >>made the ending of it, or what seems to be the end. It was interesting. Yes, Team GG brought too many folks but when I went through the log it was only maybe >>10 or so folks who were actually casting spells. Face it Team BG, you really got done in more by your own "folks" & their spells plus Mazrian's spells, the >>clerics Red spiral spell & another who finished off Nsar I think (WM or someone who knew dragons breath to rip him apart).

stop making this about the pvp aspect. It happened in 30 seconds thats not the issue. The issue once again is the rp factor. You guys DIDNT RP with us. WE knew we were going to die, we set it up so we would die. We went against the nature of every sense of how a necromancer kit works to INVITE you all to rp with. INSTEAD of rping, instead of taking the time to build something and make a great storyline or convo to post and talk about. You killed. Its simple. Its not some grand scheme about how we got rocked at pvp, its a commentary on the fact that you didnt want to rp with us after we gave so much to try to rp with you.

>>I'm not saying I'm for one side over the other, as I said my main wm & a baby necro were there. Maybe next time a paladin like Isharon could cast banner, I was >>expecting it actually but with my lag I'd never see it. Other than that, stop tossing around the metagaming stuff, as you said lets learn from it & move on.

The issue is the metagaming stuff. The issue was the OOC knowledge of everything leading up to this was bled into IC. Its why you were prepared as you were. Its why 40 people gather and knew exactly where to go. Its why your group scouted the area before the event happened. Its why you had spells prepared the moment you came into the room. 10 people or not casting or doing whatever it matters not. WE setup for RP. You setup for PVP. You used knowledge of stuff you gathered ooc instead of IC to fight instead of rp. Thats the issue. Thats what we need to learn from. We as team bad guys need to realize you will use that information incorrectly and try to make sure the information given to you is more vague. You as good guys need to realize that we wont stand a chance ever against you pvp wise without GM intervention. You have to give us leeway as we gave you in spades or it just wont happen again.

I love the rp of Dragonrealms but unless we work together as a group to make it possible, acknowledge what actually went wrong, learn from those actual mistakes we are doom to repeat this over and over. Tirost and Nefis did great work setting this up. It was amazing and it was beautifully done. We as a community need to come together and find a way where instead of mass destroying everything we can actually get some rp in. We are all here to have fun. We are all here to grow and become strong as a community and enjoy player driven rp. That means we need to work together and give each other leeway so we can get more involved storylines going.

>The issue is the metagaming stuff. The issue was the OOC knowledge of everything leading up to this was bled into I see.~OMEGANECRO

While I agree that there are things that could have been done better, I fundamentally disagree with this position. I also will say that the accusatory tone of your posts is off putting and is making it difficult for me to empathize with your position. I will admit this is a personal failing, but I want to try and understand why you are dismissing all the IC RP that we did to prepare for an assault on a collection of necromancers bent on a demonic ritual. Yes we prepped for PvP, but I am of the opinion that for this event, the PvP -was- the RP. Maybe it wasn't the best RP, and yes it resulted in team bad having a not-fun time, and we should learn from that, but dismissing everything that happened as OOC is hurtful and untrue.

~Hunter Hanryu
>Everything Rangers have is just a lame version of something cool.~Morkim

Let's step back for a moment. The focus on pvp is yes wrong. This event, this is not something that Zehira would ever be a part of, Zehira does things on her own terms, her own way and in her own time. But was told...we need you. Zehira doesn't trust her own necromancers anymore than they trust her. The entire reason that I went along with it was that I thought there would be rp. Not rp of us trying to set things up that had to be changed at the last moment, not us laying there saying things as we were dead (which again is not the point, a death to a necro is not much) or rp that we did in the guild after. We should have gotten a paladin? We should have done things to make the room safe? Do you know how difficult it is to find someone holy to help a necromancer that actually plays an actually holy person the complete good way? I am going to wager that you don't.

I told each and every person that I brought into this, prepare to die, prepare to be outed, if you don't want to, feels won't be hurt if you say no. They all wanted rp, they were ready to be outed, they were ready to die. These are the kinds of things that we need in this community. Unfortunately what happens is, it gets planned and one person tells this person, who then tells this person, who then tells a whole discord chat, and we all know where that normally goes from there. Too many hands in the cookie jar. I have told Kaelie I will brainstorm with her to come up with another idea, here soon,and I will ask Nefis to help us brainstorm, Nefis did a great job, a really really good job and all in all the rp at the guild after for me, made up for the 15 seconds worth of death. I gotta say though, some of us didn't like being searched while we were dead, just a little creepy. LOL!

So no, it was never about the pvp, or the dying, but yes the rp around it. We can though, try again.

Z



I don't feel that I need to explain my art to you, Warren.

@OMEGANECRO

Can you lay out a descriptive vision for what you would have preferred at the fight location or general area?

I'm trying to get a better idea of what you want to see, in detail, minus the PVP aspects.

@HASTALUEGO

Any kind of dialog would of been a start. Any kind of rp that centered around anything but killing. You could of come in and said what goes on here and it would of been more rp then what happened. Killing without dialog is just pure simple pvp. At the very least say something and that could of been the start of anything fun. Hell you guys didnt even wait for us to finish the first part of a long lengthy script we had written up to do a ritual. You didnt even check to see where the crown was, or check on the person kidnapped. You did nothing but kill. Thats the issue. You did not rp with us in any way. You came in, killed, couldnt find what you were looking for for the most part because we hadnt even got to using the item, and took off without very many words.

It amazes me still that so many people came from the word of one person who said hey they are doing bad things without questioning.

>>It amazes me still that so many people came from the word of one person who said hey they are doing bad things without questioning.

I wasn't involved with any of the planning involving the Event or how this last part went down, so I can't say much about that. I mostly asked because I do organize other Events and I know Necromancer players take interest in them as adversaries, so hearing from you guys is important.

I'm not surprised people are upset with the outcome of what happened, but I'll be able to keep your input in mind for future stuff that I plan to set up.

Speaking as someone with a long history of playing "team good", I can say that over a lot of years, and many big painful conversations on these forums, one of the biggest gripes I and several others have always had with "team bad" was the lack of roleplay conversation.

During any event where its "good" vs "bad", you can usually assume PvP stance means nothing. If you open your mouth, you are open, and should always go into these events expecting a death or two. The main thing we used to scream about for years was "don't just walk into a room and kill people". We asked this because it's boring, it's not what we consider in depth roleplay, it's purely a numbers game at that point, who's ranks are higher.

I'm a little disappointed to read this thread, as it sounds like "team good" have been guilty of doing something we begged "team bad" not to do.

Now, I wasn't there, I have a fish in both waters, good and bad, and could have brought either - My main reason for not getting involved was the scale of this. It's near impossible to control 40+ bloody thirst DR players. Someone always panics and hits the "attack" button instantly.

My suggestion would be, don't see that event as the "main" event, switch the view and make it purely a stage - The killing has happened, now feed off of it, in smaller groups with drawn out expectations. Try doing it with no PvP, it adds a lot of depth (IMO) if you go into a meeting with no intention of attacking. Perhaps someones "good guy" character is a little overly interested in what the necromancers were doing? Wants to know a lot more, and over several conversations and learnings, switches sides? Always a way to look at it as a positive, but as a warning, if the next step ends up purely PvP, you'll likely see several not want to be anywhere near the storyline going forward

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