Re: Feature Alteration 06/21/2005 11:23 AM CDT
Many moons ago there were alterers that changed eye color and skin pigmentation. We've also discussed having the salon in Leth re-open with some simple options once more has been added to the features system.

The features system needs to be expanded and rewritten. Right now we can't add more feature options because we literally have no more room.

This was something that SGM Jeremael was working on, so as projects are being reassigned, this will need to be one of them.

GM Reexa


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Re: Feature Alteration 06/23/2005 12:35 AM CDT
Good news Reexa. Personally it makes sense that you can cut and dye hair without magic, just not grow it.

Speaking of features and enhancements, how about special hair styles you can only get from the Salon?


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Re: Feature Alteration 07/05/2005 04:04 PM CDT
>>Speaking of features and enhancements, how about special hair styles you can only get from the Salon?

...that won't get messed up with ppl ARRANGING your hair to another style.

Just like IRL, I'd be really really mad if someone messed up my hair. Okay, so my wife would probably be that mad, I'd just pull it back again..but if my wife pays $100 or something exorbitant for a hairstyle and then someone comes along and musses it up, it'd have to be consent :smirk:


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Re: Various Alteration Questions 11/13/2005 08:14 AM CST
Feature alterers have been suggested before, and the answer has been no way, no how. Something to do with the code. Maybe...someday.

Spellbook cases ARE alterable, not sure about spellbooks. Thrynz will do them. This costs several hundred platinum.

>tap case
You tap a polished black leather spellbook case reinforced with gold corner-molding that you are wearing.
>look case
Conditioned to an almost mirror-like finish, the well-oiled handsome black leather spellbook case has been designed to allow the compartments within to rotate in place, keeping all but the exposed compartment secure from the elements. Finely beaten gleaming red-gold handcrafted to fit each of the reinforced corners further protects the case and its contents. The intricate locking clasp that seals it is carved from bone in the shape of a pair of ruby-eyed intertwined serpents devouring each other's tails. It is currently closed.

Spidersilk cloaks are alterable by the following alterers to my knowledge: Snidely, Stiltskitter, and Droughtman. It costs several hundred platinum as well.

Hopefully this helps!

-meanne
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Colored Gold in Alterations 03/17/2007 03:41 AM CDT
I saw that Blue Gold is on the rare material list as something that would be required to be added to an item in an alteration. I'm curious of two things. First, why? There are two types of blue gold. The blue gold found naturally is an alloy of indium and gold, but the blue gold commonly used in jewelry is simply an iron and gold alloy. Second, can we use other colors that are gold alloys? Purple, green, white, pink, red, rose? I understand if Purple wouldn't be allowed, because I realize Aluminum is hard to mine in a usable form. I'm also curious what color some of the Elanthian specific metals would make in an alloy with gold.


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Re: Colored Gold in Alterations 03/17/2007 06:37 AM CDT
Blue gold IG is considered rare meaning you have to provide it for alterations as it's closely tied to the Prydaen race. At least that's the explanation I've seen given before.


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Re: Colored Gold in Alterations 03/17/2007 12:16 PM CDT
Blue gold is considered an extra-terrestrial type of mineral (ie, it falls out of the sky and thus would be rare like Maulem said), and (prydaen) legend has it that it's a direct gift from Eu.


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Re: Colored Gold in Alterations 03/18/2007 04:32 AM CDT
I can understand blue gold being rare. I'm still curious about other colors of gold, and what some of the Elanthian specific metals would look like as an alloy with gold. A lot of the metals specifically say they don't look good in jewelry, but I know one of them said it is often used in jewelry.


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Alterations with no base item? 04/02/2007 10:39 AM CDT
I realy wanna get a abbacus but wuz tole DR already made a few n Ah cant have one made from a alteration scroll. What ah wanna know is how wood ya go bout usin a scroll ta make one if it wuz allowed? Ah mean ya need sumpin ta change ....no? Like makin a special sheath Grearsword if ya already got a mall belt worn sheath.

Menda
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Re: Alterations with no base item? 04/02/2007 11:15 AM CDT
>>I realy wanna get a abbacus but wuz tole DR already made a few n Ah cant have one made from a alteration scroll. What ah wanna know is how wood ya go bout usin a scroll ta make one if it wuz allowed? Ah mean ya need sumpin ta change ....no? Like makin a special sheath Grearsword if ya already got a mall belt worn sheath.

Typically, anything that changes the size (small belt-worn sheath to greatsword sheath) is right out. Also, the base item needs to be fairly similar to consider a description change.

At one point, I had a flour sack. I submitted an alteration to make it a turnip sack, and wrote up the TAP and LOOK to indicate that it was used to carry turnips (including a stitched image of white and purple turnips). The net result was that in the TAP and LOOK I could call it a turnip sack, but the base item had to remain "flour sack."

~player of Gulphphunger
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Re: Alterations with no base item? 04/02/2007 04:56 PM CDT
I think I have two or three abbacus' if you want to find me in game/send me a pidgeon Menda. Dyminica
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Re: Alterations with no base item? 04/05/2007 07:04 PM CDT
... Ah wanna thank all a ya fer ya help with a special thanks ta Dyminica an specialy ta Mithyl who not only refused payment but delivered it also. Show ya how der many more good fokes in DR den snerts

Menda
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Alterations 101 11/07/2007 07:43 PM CST
In case you haven't read the calendar, I'll be available in the seacaves tomorrow evening at 9 pm EST for any OOC questions regarding alterations that you may have. I'll be there for an hour (not sure exactly where, but probably the cabana), so if you have questions about materials, wondering about a specific alterer, or are struggling with the wording for an LTB scroll, come on by!

Oh, and if you want to just come hang out while you're working on your own designs, you're welcome to do that too.

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Alteration? 02/06/2008 04:46 PM CST
I've never had an alteration before and was wondering if I could change the noun of an item?

Say change a pair of leather gloves into a pair of gauntlets? Or something similar.
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Re: Alteration? 02/06/2008 07:40 PM CST
It depends on the GM/NPC doing the altering. Some would, some wouldn't.


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Alteration scrolls 05/03/2009 11:52 AM CDT
How do these work if you want to add a tap/look/read to an item?
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Re: Alteration scrolls 05/03/2009 12:37 PM CDT
Tell them in some way that this line of text is for the whatever.

SHORT DESC: a cute brown fox
LONG DESC: a cute brown fox with a blue ribbons tied in its fur
TAP: Made from extremely rare stone from the blasted Dirge landscape and colored with exotic paints, the level of detail in this statuette presents an illusion of movement as though the fox were alive.
READ: Say the magic words and I'm there, friend.


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Re: Alteration scrolls 05/03/2009 04:23 PM CDT
Thanks!
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Alteration question 07/01/2009 12:34 PM CDT
I have something I would love to be made into a HB/HT weapon and was wondering if anyone has experience with this being done before or told it wasn't currently an acceptable alteration.
Thanks
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Re: Alteration question 07/03/2009 11:21 PM CDT
No standard alteration will change weapon stats of any sort.

If it's HB/HT already, sure. Otherwise, too bad.




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Alterations at Mini-Fest 07/09/2009 07:19 PM CDT
I'm curious about the alterers at the Mini-Fest coming up. Will these only be available to those who have vouchers for whoever appears, or will it be merely a line for those who have enough plats to spend on it?


Also, what is a general price range for alterations?
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Re: Alterations at Mini-Fest 07/09/2009 08:13 PM CDT
>Also, what is a general price range for alterations?

It seriously depends. Some are free. Some are 10-20 plat. The silversmith charges something like 200+ plat.

Depends on who shows up.



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Re: Alterations at Mini-Fest 07/09/2009 08:26 PM CDT
I don't remember which alterer it was, but I had work done on a branch framed knapsack at a fest in shard 4 or 5 years ago. Had it made bigger id love to have more work done on it if he would be willing to show up.

Also does getting an alteration at the fest count toward the 120 day limit?


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Re: Alterations at Mini-Fest 07/09/2009 10:27 PM CDT
>>Had it made bigger(knapsack)

Merchants or alterers that do this on an annual or semi-annual or even bi-annual basis would be awesome.


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Tool Alterations 07/15/2009 02:07 PM CDT
Any chance we could get the prediction tool alterer back? Particullarly now that Tokka are out and have can have custom cards and whatnot.
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Re: Tool Alterations 07/17/2009 02:48 PM CDT
http://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=20&category=24&topic=1&message=121

There we go. Nettor. That's the guy I was thinking of... it's been like five years since we saw him.
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Alteration Newbie 07/23/2009 04:18 PM CDT
So Ive been around a long time, but never a premie until now, and never had an alteration, hopeing to get one someday.

Ive read the guidelines here several times. But its the materials that kind of confuses me... just for an example if you wanted to have some Nightsilk or Spidersilk added to an item... would having a "Nightsilk Pouch" or a "Spidersilk Backpack" count? and if so would said item be lost in the act of altering?

Would the above apply to inperson alterations as well as LBT alteration scrolls?

Also, please forgive me if Im not really asking the right questions... like ive said I've tried to read the guidelines. But im still pretty clueless.

Thanks

- L
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Re: Alteration Newbie 07/23/2009 06:34 PM CDT
>Ive read the guidelines here several times. But its the materials that kind of confuses me... just for an example if you wanted to have some Nightsilk or Spidersilk added to an item... would having a "Nightsilk Pouch" or a "Spidersilk Backpack" count? and if so would said item be lost in the act of altering?

Nightsilk and spidersilk are both materials that aren't considered rare, so it's doubtful you'd even have to supply them at all. In theory, the concept you're talking about is sound. If you want something with stormsilk for example, you'd need to provide an appropriate amount to alter into the new item which you're requesting. Yes, we consider anything offered to be used in alterations as fodder. If you want a twilight sapphire in your new necklace, you'll have to donate one that you currently have in your possession.

>Would the above apply to inperson alterations as well as LBT alteration scrolls?

It applies to both, yes, though some in-person alterers are more lenient than others as far as materials go.

>Also, please forgive me if Im not really asking the right questions... like ive said I've tried to read the guidelines. But im still pretty clueless.

Don't worry! This is actually a good opportunity for me to plug our Alterations 101 session during the Mini-Fest. Feel free to stop by the Private Grotto of Magma Falls on Thursday, August 6th at 11pm EST for some lively and informative discussion.

Hope this helps!

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Re: Alteration Newbie 07/23/2009 09:26 PM CDT
>>If you want something with stormsilk for example, you'd need to provide an appropriate amount to alter into the new item which you're requesting.

Is there a schedule of what's appropriate? Loriale only required a tiny animite ring for one of my alterations that wove the animate into a gorbesh catapult basket, which seemed like it wouldn't be near enough material for the job.

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Alteration Question 07/28/2009 08:16 AM CDT
Do alterers usually change the noun of the original item for an alteration? Something like a tanned cowl, could that become a top hat like a similar hat that is somewhat old but is actually head armor?




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Re: Alteration Question 07/28/2009 08:52 AM CDT
>Do alterers usually change the noun of the original item for an alteration?

I think they sometimes do, but it's an exception rather than the rule. I tried to get a briquet altered to a kris once, and that didn't fly.
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Re: Alteration Question 07/28/2009 10:31 AM CDT
>Do alterers usually change the noun of the original item for an alteration?

Sometimes an alterer will consider changing the noun, but the essence of the item must remain the same. You can sometimes turn a pack into a bag, or a gown into a dress.. I don't see it as very likely that a cowl would be able to be changed into a hat, because a hat is not typically armor. You aren't retaining the essence of the item.

Thanks!

Lyneya
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Re: Alteration Question 07/28/2009 04:17 PM CDT
If you want to change the noun, try to include an example that they can go look at or recognize. Sometimes they just don't understand what you're asking to do and all they see are the nouns (and obviously, if that doesn't mesh then they have to say no).

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Re: Alteration Question 07/29/2009 12:04 AM CDT
you could have like... a leather helm fitted underneath an elegant top hat.
or a hard leather top hat- a hard leather helm has been fitted with extra pieces piled high and fitted with a rim giving it the shape of a top hat.
thats along what'd i'd work with to get what you want.

only noun i got changed was some shard 'chain' to chain 'armor' like 8 years ago.

lot of the alterers will do what they can to work with you, some follow the rules to the letter though.


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Re: Alteration Question 07/29/2009 01:45 AM CDT
The cavalier hat was an merchant item that was armor. Not that that'll help you get an alteration.
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Re: Alteration Question 07/29/2009 08:18 AM CDT
So even though there's an existing example of an armor hat out there I can't request a cowl to be changed into a hat because it's not the same thing?




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Re: Alteration Question 07/29/2009 09:10 AM CDT
>So even though there's an existing example of an armor hat out there I can't request a cowl to be changed into a hat because it's not the same thing?

Most likely, no. Keep in mind, that hat is old and rare and doesn't app anywhere near as well as a tanned cowl does.
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Re: Alteration Question 07/29/2009 11:22 AM CDT
Think about it with another example, a sabre and a scimitar are both medium edged weapons. But you couldn't alter a scimitar into a sabre because they function differently. Whereas the aforementioned backpack into a bag example might work because the two words are closely synonymous.

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LTB Alteration Scroll 07/03/2010 12:48 PM CDT
How do I use the write command to change a tap and a look on a robe? Could someone give me an example? I've not been able to figure this out so far. thanks in advance.
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Re: LTB Alteration Scroll 07/03/2010 01:32 PM CDT
I'm not sure if there's a specific way they'd like you to do it, but I've done this in the past and it's always worked quite well for me. Just put it all in there, and they'll respond if there's any problems with it.

Write new TAP: An ugly robe LOOK: This robe is really ugly.
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