>>The term grave robbing refers to any form of item theft, whether from a broken glyph, from an unopened grave or an opened grave, or an item in someone's hand that they dropped on death.

>>Items dropped on death also have a grave robbing flag on them and can be searched off of someone.
>>Searching someone doesn't always work, though. There IS a skill check involved and you can fail.


i would like to suggest that any items dropped by a player caused by tingle from another player, or some other spell, to flag in the same way as dropping an item on death, so search player would work on them.

The action produces the same consequences as grave robbing, so it should support the same mechanics.

Using these spells in this manner = item theft = skirting the mechanics of grave robbing

Items dropped by tingle, or MB are still under normal ownership rules, IE no one can pick them up but you for a good minute or two. Dragging someone out of the room to circumvent that timer is covered by mechanics abuse.

This is really only a problem for people that are afk or not watching their screen at all and thus dont bother to pick their stuff up.

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Eladrin

its also a problem if someone is doing it to a trader, and they know the trader will move rooms every 4 seconds because of their caravan

so they make the trader drop the item, caravan pulls them away, they pick the item up.

its not all about afk stuff as most people would like to think

based on your own definition, this is implied mechanics abuse.

>>its also a problem if someone is doing it to a trader, and they know the trader will move rooms every 4 seconds because of their caravan

Please see:

>>This is really only a problem for people that are afk or not watching their screen at all and thus dont bother to pick their stuff up.

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>Do caravans auto-pilot to their destinations, or do you have to use a script to move one around?

on trade routes, caravans auto pilot to their destinations.

On trade routes, for example, if im in crossing and i want to go to stone clan, i do "tell cara to lead to stone clan"

the caravan will autopilot to stone clan trail, and i have to walk the two rooms to the actual outpost. But otherwise, the caravan completely autopilots to the destination, except for a couple rooms at the end

>>Every log I have ever seen of this. The Trader was AFK for a significant period of time regardless.

try to pretend that not everyone is afk. keep repeating this and it just sounds like trolling.

>>try to pretend that not everyone is afk.

I don't think everyone is, just the clear examples in the few logs I have read where tingle was involved. I have faith in most people :)

>>GAUNSTAR: i would like to suggest that any items dropped by a player caused by tingle from another player, or some other spell, to flag in the same way as dropping an item on death, so search player would work on them. . . . Using these spells in this manner = item theft = skirting the mechanics of grave robbing

I'm not sure why this was posted on the Grave Robbing policy board; it should have been posted on the Stealing policy board. (That you think similar mechanics should apply to Tingled items doesn't convert theft by Tingle into an act of grave robbing.)


>>GAUNSTAR: its also a problem if someone is doing it to a trader, and they know the trader will move rooms every 4 seconds because of their caravan so they make the trader drop the item, caravan pulls them away, they pick the item up.

I don't think that your unlikely hypothetical scenario (Tingled Trader who is paying attention and who would have stopped his caravan but for roundtime) warrants changing the mechanics or policy for Tingled items.

There is already a perfectly adequate solution: don't hold valuable items while you are running caravans. If you're worried that you'll forget to check, have your script STOW RIGHT and STOW LEFT at the beginning. If you must use a valuable item during the run, stow it immediately after using it.


>>GAUNSTAR: suggestion repeated here so you can remind yourself what this topic was about.

The simple fact is that Tingled items are protected from theft until the owner leaves the room. If you're paying attention, you can retrieve your dropped item. When this fact was pointed out to you, you responded with the caravan scenario to advance your argument that the current item protection mechanics are inadequate. So far, you haven't offered any other reason to change the Tingle mechanics.

Personally, I think that common sense, vigilance, the current item protection mechanics (including the policy against actively circumventing those mechanics), and the consent policy are adequate checks on the "abuse" of Tingle.

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Regardless of the personalities involved, I think the suggestion is worth discussion.

I like the idea of items, gems and coins, stolen from you to be searched out like grave robbed items. Obviously no soul hit or silly "you can't enter there" mechanics, but a way to get your item back with out relying on the person who took it to voluntarily hand it over.


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Heh, I would think a warmie or someone with that tingle spell on a scroll (if it is on scroll) doing that to all traders would/should be considered mechanics abuse if its being used in the way you have described.


Jim

i dont see why theyd be searchable, it really doesnt make sense. Its not graverobbing, its really not even similar.

The problem lies with traders moving on even though theyre in roundtime, so maybe thats where the problem should be addressed. Possibly code something in that halts caravans if an item is dropped, or well, something.

In the meantime i would suggest not holding valuable items in your hands when you know youre doing something that will cause you to break the ownership mechanics yourself.

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lol