I've gone through and systematically re-balanced SoI for all guilds using actual formulas and stuffs. Here's the final list for Thieves:

Intelligence
Discipline
Agility

Tactics
Performance
Appraisal
Mechanical Lore
Alchemy
Engineering

Backstab
Skinning
Outdoorsmanship
First Aid
Thievery
Locksmithing
Stealth
Perception
Athletics
Evasion

Utility
Augmentation

Missile Mastery
Melee Mastery
Offhand Weapon
Brawling
Light Thrown
Crossbow
Bow
Slings
Small Blunt
Small Edged
Parry Ability

Light Armor

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

i'm surprised no mention was made of "inner magic" or whatever they'll end up calling whatever it is that powers our khri. As for it being tert, so is inner fire for barbarians.



<<The real thing DR needs is to get out there to the kids who actually read books.>>

>>Love the skills, but I'm a little curious why Intelligence instead Reflex?

Lots of what a thief does is about being smart and clever. Also, like when the Paladins asked this, I didn't change any of the stats.

>>i'm surprised no mention was made of "inner magic" or whatever they'll end up calling whatever it is that powers our khri. As for it being tert, so is inner fire for barbarians.

Magic terts only get two magic skills in their SoI. The Barbarian equivalent to PM (Inner Fire) is in SoI for Barbarians. It is not for Thieves.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

Khri do not currently check SoI.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

> Does SoI apply to buffs from another player? If so, how?

When a player casts a buff on someone else, the size of that buff is determined by the Caster's SoI. So if a Bard casts a Forging buff on a Thief, the Thief gets a big buff since Forging is in SoI for Bards.

>>Strength is not in our SoI and prowess gives a capped +7 strength in 2.0, in 3.0 would it only give 5, rounded down from 5.25 which is 75% of +7.

I'd like to know where you're getting your numbers (for 3.0).

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"Disagreement with the fundamental plan at this point is akin to supporting Richard III vs the Tudors."
-Raesh

>I'd like to know where you're getting your numbers (for 3.0).

Use of the stat respec command along with a variety of strength or other simple stat checks with easily frangible items (like thousands if copper to check burden)

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>I'd like to know where you're getting your numbers (for 3.0).
>I'm aware of how to test. I meant his specific numbers, as someone already pointed out, his disagree with other testing, in addition to Khri not going through SOI already.

Its been announced that out of SoI buffs are capped at 75% so, 7 * .75 = 5.25, is where my numbers came from, just math, no in game testing, but sounds like it wont matter for a long time if ever.

Just about everything people just said is news to me for SoI and I read almost every post on here every day, so thanks.

Anyone have a link to something that talks about the reasoning behind SoI, maybe the long term goal of it?

Honestly I hope a lot of work isn't going into it, it just seems really... blah, or I continue to miss the point. Races and Guilds already do more than enough of this with tdp penalties and primary, secondary, tertiary skill sets. I don't get why we need another system of restrictions at all.

The best part of DR is you don't have many exact requirements for what to train.

This just seems to kinda go in the completely opposite direction.

>>So if Khri was using SoI, it could cap at a 15 strength point bonus.

If that spell/ability could hit global caps. I can't recall if SoI caps explicitly depend on a spell always hitting global caps.

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Raesh will fix Thief stuff as soon as he recodes boats. And he also needs to code that confidence recovery device requested for an end prize. He needs no personal life outside of fixing stuff for us.

>>Do we have information on what the global caps are for stuff?

Not for hard ranks, but IIRC if a spell/ability increases multiple skills/stats/etc, it also gets a smaller boost per thing than something that boosts JUST a stat or a skill or a etc. So some khri that do more than one thing won't necessarily to knock those boosts to the cap, at least once khri gets looked at.

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>>I thought they were getting rid of that. Especially with spells costing a slot per thing it does. Part of the push was to remove redundancy, and I'm pretty sure it was stated if you can boost it, you can reach the SoI/not cap.

Ah, right, sorry. You're correct here.

"Our new schema is fairly simple: we assume any spell a guild gets is going to be "at the cap." If Empaths get an Escaping bonusing skill, then we assume that spell will be the pinnacle of what we want Empaths to boost Escaping to. From here is born the idea of "spheres of influence," where we say that, for example, Hiding is a skill that the ]Moon Mages should focus on, but not the Clerics, then the Moon Mage hiding boost should be stronger than the Cleric hiding boost (which may even still remain 0)."

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