I've gone through and systematically re-balanced SoI for all guilds using actual formulas and stuffs. Here's the final list for Necromancers:

Stamina
Reflex
Intelligence

Performance
Appraisal
Mechanical Lore
Scholarship
Alchemy
Outfitting

Thanatology
Skinning
Outdoorsmanship
First Aid
Thievery
Locksmithing
Stealth
Perception
Athletics
Evasion

Sorcery
Warding
Debilitation
Augmentation
Targeted Magic

Brawling
Staves
Small Blunt
Small Edged

Light Armor

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

Yeah, due to some constraints on the lore skill set a few of the SoIs for lore secondaries (And isn't everyone a lore secondary...) are a little odd. Though if you think about it performance COULD be the most important skill ever to a necromancer...

As for Mech Lore, it's in SoI for all lore primary (they get all lore skills) and lore secondaries for now. Once it goes away entirely due to rounding I'd need to remove a skill from the lore set for all lore secondaries, and look at that - Mech lore will be that skill.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

My only criticism is that I'm surprised we got outfitting over carving (we get a tech for it) and/or enchanting (at least I feel that it would sound thematically appropriate).

Would be nice if we got one of those instead of performance, at least!

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The teeth lands a solid (5/23) hit that pokes the teeth into Turul's rear end (more embarrassing than painful!).

Lore secondary only get two crafting skills in SoI (See my comment about constraints in the lore skill set making for some slightly odd choices).

Outfitting strikes me as a more survival-ish skill, working with skins and hides and whatnot.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

i still thinks it makes more sense for us to be bone-carvers than tailors.




<<The real thing DR needs is to get out there to the kids who actually read books.>>

>>You are bone carvers (hence the bonus technique).

At the same time, I wasn't always a fan of "you get an engineering tech because bones" since I've yet to ever see anything the Philosophers did when it came to bone carving. Any carving Philosophers tend to do are more of the flesh variety, and that would more aptly fall under Tailoring than anything else.

If I had to pick, I'd rather see us get our tech in carving moved to tailoring than our SoI moved from outfitting to engineering.

And just to remove any sense of bias, I'm most likely going to career/hobby in tinkering and have very little interest in focusing on tailoring (or any outfitting, really), so if anything it would theoretically be in my interests to push for an engineering SoI. But it just doesn't seem very thematic to the guild (and I can't say I'm a fan of the "well you guys and bones you know!" trope anyway).

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The teeth lands a solid (5/23) hit that pokes the teeth into Turul's rear end (more embarrassing than painful!).

SoI to engineering and then have necro specific patterns where you can build constructs such as flesh golems with iron blades for hands etc etc.

Y/y?

Ok. I must have missed something somewhere. What is SoI? Sphere of Influence? What does it all mean?

Elvis has left the building.

>>What does [Sphere of Influence] mean?

It means how big of a boost you get whenever you cast a buff for that skill/stat.

So far I think the consensus was that In-Sphere yields a 25 point boost to a stat at the cap, and Out-of-Sphere yields a 15 point boost to a stat at the cap. I'm not sure about skills.

~ Leilond
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Thank you all for the explanations, that helps a lot.

Elvis has left the building.

>>again, if soi is going to effect how well our spells work, i'd rather get bonus to carving bones than playing a lute if i put up researchers insight.

The answer has not changed in the last 12 hours since the last time you asked this and I answered it.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

>> Then I respectfully Disagree with it.

She is Serious. With a capital S.

Disagreeing about what the guild should focus on is a legit disagreement, although if you choose to just go along and brownnose, be my guest.

Go play your lyre at the next necro BBQ. I'll be carving your bones. :-)






<<The real thing DR needs is to get out there to the kids who actually read books.>>

The cake example is not the one I would have used, but... you know what, let's roll with it.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

Only spells cast by you.

Come on Raesh, you can do batter

- Starlear -

>For shame. I never envisioned you as the type to cake on puns.

This thread just got awesome.

>>again, if soi is going to effect how well our spells work, i'd rather get bonus to carving bones than playing a lute if i put up researchers insight.

I feel a bit for Raesh, having to deal with these types of posts in every 3.0 guild thread. Hah.

Elusive
mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur

Oh sure, feel sorry for the guy who's contributing to the madness.

But no one ever feels badly for me, who has to read all the posts everywhere.

Let's get back on topic, thanks.

Annwyl
Message Board Supervisor

If you've questions or comments, take it to e-mail by writing me at DR-Annwyl@play.net.

>>Isn't SoI also supposed to have an affect on enchantments?

I initially thought this was the case too, but it seems like it [currently] only manages the effects you can provide by casting spells and using abilities.

"SOI only determines how powerful your spell can be - It's not strictly related to global caps in terms of things like ability bonuses, combat bonuses, etc."

I know that quote also says "ability" and I just said using abilities is managed under SoI, but I'm not sure that's necessarily the case, since Barbarian abilities mechanically count as spells that aren't spells, and I'm sure Khri will function similarly, so yeah. I think "ability" means stuff like predictions, lionize/satirize, and other similar things.

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The teeth lands a solid (5/23) hit that pokes the teeth into Turul's rear end (more embarrassing than painful!).

someone left the cake out in the rain, but i think i shall not take it because i'll never have the recipe again....



besides, i couldn't carve any bones today, Mr. Book. I was too busy practicing my lute.


<<The real thing DR needs is to get out there to the kids who actually read books.>>