PV doesn't seem to teach debilitation, or at least not noticeably so. This is on a critter that I have no trouble locking debilitation on using burden or heightened pain which are easier spells to cast. I'm also casting them at lower mana than PV which I'm casting at my personal cap.

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I still can't seem to make any non-cyclic non-TM spell train the corresponding magic skill 'well'. Debil, Aug, and Warding barely if ever moved when running through the full range of Necromancer magics.

Arcane Magic: 426 31% clear (0/34) Attunement: 445 88% dabbling (1/34)
Arcana: 317 32% clear (0/34) Targeted Magic: 334 81% clear (0/34)
Augmentation: 383 29% clear (0/34) Debilitation: 340 87% clear (0/34)
Utility: 319 93% clear (0/34) Warding: 298 11% clear (0/34)

A 30 mana VoD cast on fledgling Gryphons moves Debil 1-2 tics, so that seems alright if a little steep.
A 20 mana PV doesn't move at all.
A 30 mana HP moves 1-2 tics.

So, ok, fair point, with a bit of tweaking it seems I can move Debilitation along if I zap fairly large casts at every critter. I bet casting 25-30 mana VoD and HP on every critter will move Debilitation.

So Augmentation;
A 30 mana PHP doesn't move Augmentation at all.
A 40 mana PHP gives 1 tic.
A 40 mana IVM gives 1 tic.
A 40 mana KS gives 1 tic.
A 40 mana cast of LW doesn't teach at all. (I realize that this may be Warding, not Augmentation?)
A 40 mana cast of MaF doesn't teach at all. (This too?)
So, to me, training Augmentation is incredibly difficult.

A 40 mana WORM and a 40 mana CH does not move Warding at all.
So, to me, training Warding is... not possible?

It seems odd to me that casting spells that last ~15+ minutes that take ~50% of my total harness in a Shining mana room teach at best 1-3 tics, if at all. I guess my difficulties now are only in Warding and Augmentation.

And I understand that 'training' doesn't necessarily mean mindlock in 10-30m; I'm content with skills just moving along with normal routines.
Sorry for the long post.

I do fine with everything but debil, and that's mainly because my debil is a bit too high for my combat level.

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Note that these results are in Plat.

Warding 501
CH cast at 78 mana (25 prep, 48 Cambrinth, 5 harnessed) is 3-4 ticks.

Augmentation 637
REI cast at 90 mana (20 prep, 70 Cambrinth) is 2-3 ticks

With this, it doesnt take entirely too long to lock either skills.



Elusive
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>481 Warding/MAF at 95 mana (25 prep, 70 cambrinth at 10 each) is generally 3 ticks. Less DO that way!

While that is most certainly true, Ive been using CH since 3.0 hit plat and havent had and DO issues.

Elusive
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ya, i have to keep changing my own REI routine, because what teaches me one day doesn't teach me the next, or causes backfire. i figure once i pass the 500 arcane mana rank i'll do a bit better. Close!

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Doesn't that more or less tap your entire harness?

>so if you have business to attend to in justice zones, it's useful.


Yeah I know , but if your playing a well known Necro , that's kind of niche . If your playing with your SO tanked like E , then whats the point ?

>Doesn't that more or less tap your entire harness?

Not so much, using cambrinth helps a lot. Also remember that the lower your attunement the more you regenerate per pulse. I typically hover around 30% when training magic skills.

Elusive
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