Just want to make sure this spell is working as intended.

It's impossible to get to melee on the mage with the spell up, regardless of stun status of the mage. Log below!

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You ask, "Tell me how much this affects your mana?"
>face coral
You turn to face Coralin, leaving Katjia on your flank at melee!
>cast
You gesture.
Slow, rich tones form a somber introduction as you begin to sing the "Aether Wolves" enchante.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
>
Coralin is engulfed in a ripple of light and shadow, and vanishes, only to reappear some distance away!
>
The clear notes of your enchante define a drifting melody that easily soars into the higher reaches of your range.
>stance custom

You are now set to use your custom stance:

Attack : 100%
Evade : 100%
Parry : 0%
Block : 95%

>
You feel fully rested.
>ass
You assess your combat situation...

Katjia (immobile and solidly balanced) is flanking you at melee range.

(You are also defending against Katjia.)
>
Coralin says, "It's not."
>'Oh that disengages youl.
You say, "Oh that disengages youl."
>face coral
You turn to face Coralin.
>
Spiraling down the drifting notes of "Aether Wolves" to a mere whisper, you stop, allowing them to linger only moments upon the air before erupting into a rapid, blaring rendition of the same music once more.
>l
[Northeast Wilds, Outside Northeast Gate]
You are before the Northeast Gate of the Crossing, surrounded by wayfarers and adventurers also in mid-journey. Above, guardsmen stare down from the thick stone wall that encloses the city, wary for hostile visitors. Whether they travel to destinations in town or farther west, or to the north and east, they all appear to be seeking something beyond themselves. You also see a pool of black shadows, a tan gerbil that is sleeping, Magical Feat Trainer Ozursus, a crystal table with a crystal shard on it, a narrow footpath, the Northeast Gate, a bucket of viscous gloop, a weathered roadsign, a hurty thing and a cambrinth ring.
Also here: Master of Fate Coralin and Petal of the Rose Katjia.
Obvious paths: north, east, southeast.
>
Coralin is engulfed in a ripple of light and shadow, and vanishes, only to reappear some distance away!
>face coral
You turn to face Coralin.
>
Coralin says, "Lost 10%."
>
Coralin is engulfed in a ripple of light and shadow, and vanishes, only to reappear some distance away!
>face coral
You turn to face Coralin.
>lau
You laugh!
>
A descending scale preceeds a return to an earlier theme, and you find yourself slowing as a distinctly lighter tone colors your singing.
>'That is tricksy
You say, "That is tricksy."
>'Whatever you're doing
You say, "Whatever you're doing."
>
Coralin is engulfed in a ripple of light and shadow, and vanishes, only to reappear some distance away!
>
Coralin says, "Whole Displacement."
>face coral
You turn to face Coralin.
>
Coralin grins.
>'Awesome
You say, "Awesome."
>l
[Northeast Wilds, Outside Northeast Gate]
You are before the Northeast Gate of the Crossing, surrounded by wayfarers and adventurers also in mid-journey. Above, guardsmen stare down from the thick stone wall that encloses the city, wary for hostile visitors. Whether they travel to destinations in town or farther west, or to the north and east, they all appear to be seeking something beyond themselves. You also see a pool of black shadows, a tan gerbil that is sleeping, Magical Feat Trainer Ozursus, a crystal table with a crystal shard on it, a narrow footpath, the Northeast Gate, a bucket of viscous gloop, a weathered roadsign, a hurty thing and a cambrinth ring.
Also here: Master of Fate Coralin and Petal of the Rose Katjia.
Obvious paths: north, east, southeast.
>
Coralin is engulfed in a ripple of light and shadow, and vanishes, only to reappear some distance away!
>face coral
>
You turn to face Coralin.
>'I hate it
You say, "I hate it."
>
Coralin says, "No stun, twice the fun."
>
Coralin is engulfed in a ripple of light and shadow, and vanishes, only to reappear some distance away!
>face coral
You turn to face Coralin.
>
Coralin snickers.
>'I hate that spell
You say, "I hate that spell."
>
Two deep ebony slivers drift away from Coralin and disappear into the air.
>'OMG
You say, "OMG."
>'so annoying
The black shadows fade somewhat.
>
You say, "So annoying."
>
Coralin is engulfed in a ripple of light and shadow, and vanishes, only to reappear some distance away!
>
Coralin says, "It has a really short duration now."
>'Is my spell even hitting you?
You ask, "Is my spell even hitting you?"
>
Coralin says, "Sometimes."
>chuck
You chuckle.
>l
[Northeast Wilds, Outside Northeast Gate]
You are before the Northeast Gate of the Crossing, surrounded by wayfarers and adventurers also in mid-journey. Above, guardsmen stare down from the thick stone wall that encloses the city, wary for hostile visitors. Whether they travel to destinations in town or farther west, or to the north and east, they all appear to be seeking something beyond themselves. You also see a pool of grey shadows, a tan gerbil that is sleeping, Magical Feat Trainer Ozursus, a crystal table with a crystal shard on it, a narrow footpath, the Northeast Gate, a bucket of viscous gloop, a weathered roadsign, a hurty thing and a cambrinth ring.
Also here: Master of Fate Coralin and Petal of the Rose Katjia.
Obvious paths: north, east, southeast.
>'ridiculous
You say, "Ridiculous."
>
Katjia assumes a meditative stance, concentrating on something.
You're able to decipher telltale signs of the Paralysis spell.
Katjia begins to focus intently on you!
>release
You aren't harnessing any mana.
You aren't preparing a spell.
The final tones of your enchante end with an abrupt flourish that leaves stark silence in its wake.
>flail
You flail your arms about.
>
Coralin says, "The best part is the room messaging when I walk around."
>
Coralin vanishes in a ripple of light and shadow.
>
Coralin appears in a ripple of light and shadow.
>lau
You laugh!
>
Coralin snickers.
>l
[Northeast Wilds, Outside Northeast Gate]
You are before the Northeast Gate of the Crossing, surrounded by wayfarers and adventurers also in mid-journey. Above, guardsmen stare down from the thick stone wall that encloses the city, wary for hostile visitors. Whether they travel to destinations in town or farther west, or to the north and east, they all appear to be seeking something beyond themselves. You also see a pool of grey shadows, a tan gerbil that is sleeping, Magical Feat Trainer Ozursus, a crystal table with a crystal shard on it, a narrow footpath, the Northeast Gate, a bucket of viscous gloop, a weathered roadsign, a hurty thing and a cambrinth ring.
Also here: Master of Fate Coralin and Petal of the Rose Katjia.
Obvious paths: north, east, southeast.
>
Katjia retreats from you.
>
Katjia retreats from you.
>'What!
You exclaim, "What!"
>
Petal of the Rose Katjia went through the Northeast Gate.
>
Petal of the Rose Katjia came through the Northeast Gate.
>
Coralin exclaims, "Awesome, right?!"
>
Katjia assesses her combat situation.
>'I call shenanigans, I can't tell which direction you went!
You exclaim, "I call shenanigans, I can't tell which direction you went!"
>
Coralin says, "I KNOW."
>
Coralin grins.
>'Broke
You say, "Broke."
>mutter
You mutter to yourself.
>
Katjia assumes a meditative stance, concentrating on something.
You're able to decipher telltale signs of the Paralysis spell.
>per
You reach out with your senses and hear shining streams of harmonious Elemental mana coursing through the area.
Concentrating harder on the sounds you hear, you can sense brilliant mana to the southeast, radiant mana to the east, and brilliant mana to the north.
You feel a supreme manifestation of Redeemer's Pride upon you, which should last for about thirty-two roisaen.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
>
Katjia begins to advance on you!
Katjia is still a distance away from you and is closing steadily.
>
You feel fully attuned to the mana streams again.
>
Katjia sighs.
>
Katjia closes to pole weapon range on you!
>'Wait, so that's a duration spell?
You ask, "Wait, so that's a duration spell?"
>
Katjia closes to melee range on you!
>
Coralin says, "Yeah."
>mutter
You mutter to yourself.
>adv coral
You begin to advance on Coralin.
>
Coralin is engulfed in a ripple of light and shadow, and vanishes, only to reappear some distance away!
>l
Petal of the Rose Katjia went through the Northeast Gate.
>
[Northeast Wilds, Outside Northeast Gate]
You are before the Northeast Gate of the Crossing, surrounded by wayfarers and adventurers also in mid-journey. Above, guardsmen stare down from the thick stone wall that encloses the city, wary for hostile visitors. Whether they travel to destinations in town or farther west, or to the north and east, they all appear to be seeking something beyond themselves. You also see a pool of grey shadows, a tan gerbil that is sleeping, Magical Feat Trainer Ozursus, a crystal table with a crystal shard on it, a narrow footpath, the Northeast Gate, a bucket of viscous gloop, a weathered roadsign, a hurty thing and a cambrinth ring.
Also here: Master of Fate Coralin.
Obvious paths: north, east, southeast.
>ass
You assess your combat situation...

>
Coralin says, "I'm getting like 7 roisaen max."
>adv coral
You begin to advance on Coralin.
>
Petal of the Rose Katjia came through the Northeast Gate.
>
Katjia assesses her combat situation.
>
Petal of the Rose Katjia went through the Northeast Gate.
>
Coralin is engulfed in a ripple of light and shadow, and vanishes, only to reappear some distance away!
>'Is it... impossible to get to melee?
You ask, "Is it... impossible to get to melee?"
>
Petal of the Rose Katjia came through the Northeast Gate.
>
Coralin says, "So it's short like Seal of Deflection."
>
Katjia assesses her combat situation.
>
Coralin says, "No."
>
Katjia assesses her combat situation.
>adv coral
You begin to advance on Coralin.
>
Coralin is engulfed in a ripple of light and shadow, and vanishes, only to reappear some distance away!
>'Seems like it
You say, "Seems like it."
>
Coralin says, "Germish'din were getting there."
>adv coral
You begin to advance on Coralin.
>lau
You laugh!
>
Coralin says, "But they advance straight to melee."
>
Coralin is engulfed in a ripple of light and shadow, and vanishes, only to reappear some distance away!
>
Coralin ponders.
>'Yeah
You say, "Yeah."
>'I can't get to melee at all
You say, "I can't get to melee at all."
>adv coral
You begin to advance on Coralin.
>
Coralin is engulfed in a ripple of light and shadow, and vanishes, only to reappear some distance away!
>
Coralin says, "Sucks to be you."
>
A petite bluebird lifts its head and nuzzles Katjia's ear before warbling a heart-rending melody.
>
Coralin grins.
>'What if I stun you first?
You ask, "What if I stun you first?"
>prep der
Since you're not feeding enough power into the spell pattern to make it coherent, you quickly work your way to the minimum required.
You trace a curving sigil in the air, shaping the pattern of the Demrris' Resolve spell.
>
Coralin says, "Might work."
>charge orb 100
You harness an immense amount of energy and attempt to channel it into your cambrinth orb.
You are able to channel all the energy into the orb.
The cambrinth orb resists, only absorbing part of the energy while the rest dissipates harmlessly.
Roundtime: 2 sec.
>
Coralin says, "Go for it."
>foc orb
Petal of the Rose Katjia went through the Northeast Gate.
>
You focus your magical senses on a polished cambrinth orb inlaid with a platinum thirteen-point star.
The cambrinth orb pulses brightly with Elemental energy. You reach for its center and forge a magical link to it, readying it for your use.
Roundtime: 2 sec.
>l
[Northeast Wilds, Outside Northeast Gate]
You are before the Northeast Gate of the Crossing, surrounded by wayfarers and adventurers also in mid-journey. Above, guardsmen stare down from the thick stone wall that encloses the city, wary for hostile visitors. Whether they travel to destinations in town or farther west, or to the north and east, they all appear to be seeking something beyond themselves. You also see a pool of grey shadows, a tan gerbil that is sleeping, Magical Feat Trainer Ozursus, a crystal table with a crystal shard on it, a narrow footpath, the Northeast Gate, a bucket of viscous gloop, a weathered roadsign, a hurty thing and a cambrinth ring.
Also here: Master of Fate Coralin.
Obvious paths: north, east, southeast.
>
Coralin says, "I have one roisaen left."
>adv coral
You begin to advance on Coralin.
>
You feel fully prepared to cast your spell.
>cast
Keeping your voice low, you begin to weave together a string of verses in a complex framework.
Your cambrinth orb emits a loud snap as it discharges as much power as necessary, leaving a moderate amount left for future use.

Your singing builds to a fierce crescendo, and you feel the power of your spell grow as if tethered behind the confining walls of a dam. Suddenly, the magic explodes away from you, forming concentric rings that sweep through the area like the fading ripples in a pond.
Coralin falls down, cowering fearfully.
Your actions quickly stir up a ruckus around you, as annoyed citizens quickly move out of the way. One mentions to his friend that he's off to report you for disturbing the peace.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
>
Petal of the Rose Katjia came through the Northeast Gate.
>
Katjia assesses her combat situation.
>
Coralin is engulfed in a ripple of light and shadow, and vanishes, only to reappear some distance away!
>
You feel fully rested.
>'Nope
You say, "Nope."
>'Hmm
You say, "Hmm."
>
Katjia assumes a meditative stance, concentrating on something.
You're able to decipher telltale signs of the Paralysis spell.
>scratch leil
You scratch your head.

~ Leilond
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I can look at rejiggering the weakening element, but yeah, it's supposed to be pulsing fast enough to keep the Moonie out of melee range for awhile, then gradually become less and less reliable.

-Armifer
"In our days truth is taken to result from the effacing of the living man behind the mathematical structures that think themselves out in him, rather than he be thinking them." - Emmanuel Levinas

Ugh, actually now that I think about it, could you please add in some sort of skill/stat check to determine if we can at least remain Facing to the Moon Mage after he/she zaps back to missile range?

Since cyclics are moving to an engagement-range-only model and will no longer be true AOE, it would be nice not to have to spam FACE MOONMAGE every 2 seconds :P

Thanks for your consideration.

~ Leilond
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Ill be honest that I was a bit surprised by that as well. I really like the new wd and its definitely on my list but not bein able to face I can see being a major problem. Id rather it get fixed now then see the crazy that will hit if it goes to prime and then the resulting nerf. At least remove the facing teleport. Advancing is fine since thats the point of the spell. But if you cant face them to even start advancing to wear down the speed of the teleports then I think theres a problem. Btw I friggin love that it teleports you between rooms as you walk. Very neat easter egg.

~Tezirite Renzar Lorrani

"Power is merely a stepping stone to more power."

>>Or some anti-magic.

Yup, dispel would have done the trick.

>>Does it work if they are stunned?

Good question. Coralin was able to zap back to missile range and disengaged while she was immobile but I'm not sure about stunned. I suggest you try to fight a moon mage that is using this spell to test :)

~ Leilond
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So this spell aparently negates melee entirely without any checks what so ever? Circle 20 moon mage casts this and a 150 paladin or barbarian can never close melee range to use their melee.

Wasnt 3.0 supposed to make Melee more viable to ranged? This spell utterly shuts down melee without any checks, breaks facing, and does so rapidly that you cant even hope to get into range to charge them. If I halt or stun them, they just teleport back anyways. I have no tool to attack a Moonie with this spell up but resorting to TM or Ranged combat myself. One spell has negated, without checks, any amount of skills and stats.

Sorry but this just seems utterly broken, unless I'm missing something really massive. There should be some checks into making this successful, or else this is an instant win card, Moonies will always be able to dictate range against an opponent and force ranged combat, never have to deal with the retreat penalties that Kodius put in place.

In short this seems to basically ignore the entire meta that 3.0 combat is trying to put into place. Certainly this is some massive oversight and a check was intended to be put in here?

After like, a super long time? By the time its slows enough to when I can charge, accounting for lag (i think it starts around 3-4 second pulses) they can just recast it cheaply and maintain range superiority.

I would welcome testing this on test with someone to put actual numbers up. In any case, nothing should be happening without some check, weather thats tactics or a attribute contest. The current method is basically just happening in its own world while the aggressor waits it out. Comparing this to the anti 'magic' wards, that is not the case; you can overpower wards, or nickle and dime them down. Whole Displacement does not care who is aggresing it, what you do against the caster (immobilize, stun, etc); it simply behaves in a manner that shuts down melee entirely.

I should be on in an hour. If not chat me at vermillionn@gmail.com and I'll hop on.

Generally I feel a stat contest should exist, even if its weighted in favor of the MM. The situation that a 20th MM can smirk at a 150th barbarian trying to advance on him seems strange and not apparent anywhere else in the magic system.

The facing break is much regardless, and maybe its removal would curb some of the effects we are seeing. Right now it pulses, there is 1-2 seconds of human reaction time, a half second of lag to restart your advance. Regardless though..there should be SOME contest to see how successful this spell is. I imagine a XXX vs Reflex contest personally, which effects how long it takes for your next pulse (in addition to its normal decay) presenting the ability for the aggressor to anticipate your movement.

>>The facing break is much regardless, and maybe its removal would curb some of the effects we are seeing. Right now it pulses, there is 1-2 seconds of human reaction time, a half second of lag to restart your advance. Regardless though..there should be SOME contest to see how successful this spell is. I imagine a XXX vs Reflex contest personally, which effects how long it takes for your next pulse (in addition to its normal decay) presenting the ability for the aggressor to anticipate your movement.

This basically.

I actually went ahead and made some Genie triggers to accommodate for this craziness(basically anyone I FACE now will re-autoface them the moment Whole Displacement zaps them back and destroys the engagement), but I don't think someone should have to resort to using triggers just to get their engagement-range cyclics to work on an opponent. And before anyone asks, CAST AREA was removed for most of the debillitating cyclics so that's not an option.

~ Leilond
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>>Leilond and I already did a bunch of testing and they're aware of the situation. It's been tweaked somewhat and they're keep their eyes on it. At this point, I'd rather it just not work at all against PCs, but keep it's potency against critters.

While that would resolve it, I think it be a great tool for Moonies and makes sense for them even in PvP, just not as is.

Since they seem to be aware of it and are working on it(?) then I'm pretty content.

Do not take away WD from pvp use as a fix please. All for returning pulses to work as they should.

>>You could always check it against a dispel ability. Just sayin'.

I'm sorry but this logic does not apply. Unless you're fine with me conversly having a spell which locks you at melee range with no skill check, and you have to use a dispel against me to break the effect.

~ Leilond
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>>I thought paladins were getting one of those?

Yes, it has a stat contest. Key difference here :P

~ Leilond
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>>or much faster decay (or better scale? I didn't notice much difference between low and capes mana)

I could have sworn I read about earlier bug reports where the decay was really just not happening. So it's not an issue of faster decay as much as functioning decay.

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When in doubt, http://elanthipedia.org/

<<i dont see how a skill or stat check even makes sense.>>

Well, a perfect check would be a significant offensive penalty to the mage for a short time after the teleport. This would represent the confusion of the mage ending up in a random location and trying to re-find their bearings.

Yamcer

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"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF

>>Well, a perfect check would be a significant offensive penalty to the mage for a short time after the teleport. This would represent the confusion of the mage ending up in a random location and trying to re-find their bearings.

Not a bad idea.

Well a few things, these are not additive suggestions, but i think everyone agrees it should not break engagement (i.e facing) like it does now)

A) The offense penalty could be lessened but similar to retreating
B) There could be a contest on the teleport, which dictates how quickly the next teleport occurs


I feel the core issue though is engagement as a system is rather slim. There are no real engagement or disengagement speeds, which would make a spell like this work better. I.E if I could engage at X distance a second, and you could disengage at Y distance a second, but whole displacement moves you back Z distance with every pulse, than that would work really well.

That seems reasonable. We will have to test it after any changes though.

FYI, the Empath engagement-avoidance spell is on a stat contest.

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Basteht gestures.
Tapering ribbons of soft yellow extend across the area, pausing to dance in swirls and eddies.
> adv bast
Basteht ponders.
>
You feel uneasy and cautious about approaching Basteht, but the sensation soon passes, leaving you only a tiny lingering sense of guilt.
You begin to advance on Basteht.

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I suggest Whole Displacement go to a similar stat contest model. The fail message could go something like, "Soandso predicts where you end up and remains at X range!"

~ Leilond
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