Logged into test to find that I'm -1460 TDPs. Anyone have that beat?
MAGIC1300
BEVERAGEK
Re: Negative TDPs
11/29/2012 12:08 PM CST
>>Anyone have that beat?
I think Codiax has us ALL beat :(
~ Leilond
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I think Codiax has us ALL beat :(
~ Leilond
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URUTU
Re: Negative TDPs
11/29/2012 12:45 PM CST
>>Anyone have that beat?
Time Development Points: -6026
Kaxis
>concentrate on my journey
You are too busy concentrating on your journey to do that.
Time Development Points: -6026
Kaxis
>concentrate on my journey
You are too busy concentrating on your journey to do that.
MARTINCOTY77
Re: Negative TDPs
11/29/2012 12:45 PM CST
>>I think Codiax has us ALL beat :(
There has to be some other high negatives out there? Gorteous perhaps?
I was at -10,842. It would of been alot worse if I hadn't power circled my last 40 circles. I also think I was closer to -16k with the old TDP model.
Codiax.
Forged Weapons:
http://www.elanthipedia.org/wiki/User:Codiax#Codiax-Forged-Weapons
There has to be some other high negatives out there? Gorteous perhaps?
I was at -10,842. It would of been alot worse if I hadn't power circled my last 40 circles. I also think I was closer to -16k with the old TDP model.
Codiax.
Forged Weapons:
http://www.elanthipedia.org/wiki/User:Codiax#Codiax-Forged-Weapons
GRIM45
Re: Negative TDPs
11/29/2012 12:56 PM CST
What's your bonus pool look like though?
TG, TG, GL, et al.
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MAGIC1300
Re: Negative TDPs
11/29/2012 01:14 PM CST
Guess it sucks for all us NMUs then. I'll pray we get magic sooner rather than later.
URUTU
Re: Negative TDPs
11/29/2012 01:56 PM CST
>?What's your bonus pool look like though?
Your Armor pool could fill 23 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 143 ranks.
Your Weapon pool could fill one empty skill to 147 ranks.
Your Magic pool could fill one empty skill to 26 ranks.
Your Survival pool could fill 73 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 187 ranks.
Your Lore pool could fill 113 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 71 ranks.
It would've been worse if I had weapons skills like most thieves who kept LE and ME up for backstab but I didn't. I trained only one. And the lore is because I have a ton of Scholarship/teaching that's combining and I have the 3 instruments skills over 200. (and vocals over 1200.)
Kaxis
>concentrate on my journey
You are too busy concentrating on your journey to do that.
Your Armor pool could fill 23 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 143 ranks.
Your Weapon pool could fill one empty skill to 147 ranks.
Your Magic pool could fill one empty skill to 26 ranks.
Your Survival pool could fill 73 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 187 ranks.
Your Lore pool could fill 113 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 71 ranks.
It would've been worse if I had weapons skills like most thieves who kept LE and ME up for backstab but I didn't. I trained only one. And the lore is because I have a ton of Scholarship/teaching that's combining and I have the 3 instruments skills over 200. (and vocals over 1200.)
Kaxis
>concentrate on my journey
You are too busy concentrating on your journey to do that.
URUTU
Re: Negative TDPs
11/29/2012 01:57 PM CST
Double post, sorry.
I'm not complaining by the way, I'm just saying this is how it is and putting out information into the thread. I'll keep training and doing my thing regardless.
Kaxis
>concentrate on my journey
You are too busy concentrating on your journey to do that.
I'm not complaining by the way, I'm just saying this is how it is and putting out information into the thread. I'll keep training and doing my thing regardless.
Kaxis
>concentrate on my journey
You are too busy concentrating on your journey to do that.
MARTINCOTY77
Re: Negative TDPs
11/29/2012 02:20 PM CST
>>What's your bonus pool look like though?
Oh my negative was wrong that I listed - it was actually -11693 (I forgot to add in the TDPs I had positive)
Anyways here is the bonus pool (this is with a few hours of time in test so it's a little smaller than what it was):
Your Armor pool could fill 53 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 73 ranks.
Your Weapon pool could fill 98 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 136 ranks.
Your Survival pool could fill 125 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 190 ranks.
Your Lore pool could fill 64 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 190 ranks.
A discussion just took place about mech split, "time spent" etc. And the fact came out that bits increase exponentially as ranks go up. So splitting up your mech into multiple skills takes a penalty. What this means, is the bonus pool is going to be mush smaller than the time that was invested into it because the bits will be added to the top end of our ranks therefore meaning much less time than it took to earn them.
Here is after 15 minutes hunting:
Your Armor pool could fill 53 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 70 ranks.
Your Weapon pool could fill 98 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 134 ranks.
Your Survival pool could fill 125 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 189 ranks.
Your Lore pool could fill 64 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 190 ranks.
Here is after 30 minutes Hunting:
Your Armor pool could fill 53 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 66 ranks.
Your Weapon pool could fill 98 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 132 ranks.
Your Survival pool could fill 125 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 189 ranks.
Your Lore pool could fill 64 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 190 ranks.
Notice the 66 in armor is descreasing faster, because it's calculated at a lower rank. That number should decrease faster and faster as it approaches 1 until it moves onto the next 200 rank block.
Here is after 45 minutes Hunting:
Your Armor pool could fill 53 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 62 ranks.
Your Weapon pool could fill 98 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 130 ranks.
Your Survival pool could fill 125 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 188 ranks.
Your Lore pool could fill 64 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 190 ranks.
Here is after 1 hour of Hunting:
Your Armor pool could fill 53 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 58 ranks.
Your Weapon pool could fill 98 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 127 ranks.
Your Survival pool could fill 125 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 187 ranks.
Your Lore pool could fill 64 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 190 ranks.
It will last quite awhile for sure, but not as long as people were originally calculating. You could calculate out how long my bonus pool would approximately last, but it would be wrong, because the bonus pool is going to do the reverse of what the bits are doing when you rank up, it is going to exponentially decrease.
Which will I hit first, postive TDPs or Bonus Pool running out?
Codiax.
Forged Weapons:
http://www.elanthipedia.org/wiki/User:Codiax#Codiax-Forged-Weapons
Oh my negative was wrong that I listed - it was actually -11693 (I forgot to add in the TDPs I had positive)
Anyways here is the bonus pool (this is with a few hours of time in test so it's a little smaller than what it was):
Your Armor pool could fill 53 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 73 ranks.
Your Weapon pool could fill 98 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 136 ranks.
Your Survival pool could fill 125 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 190 ranks.
Your Lore pool could fill 64 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 190 ranks.
A discussion just took place about mech split, "time spent" etc. And the fact came out that bits increase exponentially as ranks go up. So splitting up your mech into multiple skills takes a penalty. What this means, is the bonus pool is going to be mush smaller than the time that was invested into it because the bits will be added to the top end of our ranks therefore meaning much less time than it took to earn them.
Here is after 15 minutes hunting:
Your Armor pool could fill 53 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 70 ranks.
Your Weapon pool could fill 98 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 134 ranks.
Your Survival pool could fill 125 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 189 ranks.
Your Lore pool could fill 64 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 190 ranks.
Here is after 30 minutes Hunting:
Your Armor pool could fill 53 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 66 ranks.
Your Weapon pool could fill 98 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 132 ranks.
Your Survival pool could fill 125 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 189 ranks.
Your Lore pool could fill 64 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 190 ranks.
Notice the 66 in armor is descreasing faster, because it's calculated at a lower rank. That number should decrease faster and faster as it approaches 1 until it moves onto the next 200 rank block.
Here is after 45 minutes Hunting:
Your Armor pool could fill 53 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 62 ranks.
Your Weapon pool could fill 98 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 130 ranks.
Your Survival pool could fill 125 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 188 ranks.
Your Lore pool could fill 64 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 190 ranks.
Here is after 1 hour of Hunting:
Your Armor pool could fill 53 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 58 ranks.
Your Weapon pool could fill 98 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 127 ranks.
Your Survival pool could fill 125 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 187 ranks.
Your Lore pool could fill 64 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 190 ranks.
It will last quite awhile for sure, but not as long as people were originally calculating. You could calculate out how long my bonus pool would approximately last, but it would be wrong, because the bonus pool is going to do the reverse of what the bits are doing when you rank up, it is going to exponentially decrease.
Which will I hit first, postive TDPs or Bonus Pool running out?
Codiax.
Forged Weapons:
http://www.elanthipedia.org/wiki/User:Codiax#Codiax-Forged-Weapons
MAGIC1300
Re: Negative TDPs
11/29/2012 02:25 PM CST
>Which will I hit first, postive TDPs or Bonus Pool running out?
The ranks you lost that contributed to your negative TDPs all went into your bonus pool, so draining the bonus pool should equal out those negative ranks, plus all of the ranks you gained while draining the bonus pool, should put you way ahead in TDPs. Then again, I could fundamentally misunderstand some aspect of this and be completely wrong, but I would hope that's how it works.
The ranks you lost that contributed to your negative TDPs all went into your bonus pool, so draining the bonus pool should equal out those negative ranks, plus all of the ranks you gained while draining the bonus pool, should put you way ahead in TDPs. Then again, I could fundamentally misunderstand some aspect of this and be completely wrong, but I would hope that's how it works.
MARTINCOTY77
Re: Negative TDPs
11/29/2012 02:30 PM CST
>>The ranks you lost that contributed to your negative TDPs all went into your bonus pool, so draining the bonus pool should equal out those negative ranks
This part is wrong, because of what I explained in my post, the bits from the combined skills are from lower ranks than what they are going into, and bits exponentially decrease as your ranks go up. Therefore it is safe to say your bonus pool will exponentially decrease at the same rate. So the bits alone shouldn't be able to get me there.
>>plus all of the ranks you gained while draining the bonus pool, should put you way ahead in TDPs.
This may be true - guess we will see.
Codiax.
Forged Weapons:
http://www.elanthipedia.org/wiki/User:Codiax#Codiax-Forged-Weapons
This part is wrong, because of what I explained in my post, the bits from the combined skills are from lower ranks than what they are going into, and bits exponentially decrease as your ranks go up. Therefore it is safe to say your bonus pool will exponentially decrease at the same rate. So the bits alone shouldn't be able to get me there.
>>plus all of the ranks you gained while draining the bonus pool, should put you way ahead in TDPs.
This may be true - guess we will see.
Codiax.
Forged Weapons:
http://www.elanthipedia.org/wiki/User:Codiax#Codiax-Forged-Weapons
GORTEOUS
Re: Negative TDPs
11/29/2012 02:35 PM CST
Your Armor pool could fill 112 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 171 ranks.
Your Weapon pool could fill 125 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 108 ranks.
Your Survival pool could fill 31 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 184 ranks.
Your Lore pool could fill 14 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 162 ranks.
Time Development Points: -4724
I'tll prolly be lower come release time though, Expertise is supposed to figure into there too yea? Plus I dropped Brawling and LE which leveled out negative gain. tbh, I think counting that my debt is just barely starting to shrink.
And Codiax, what armor skills are you training? I'm curious how many things are draining and at what rank.
IM: Dannyboy00001111
"Fool proof system do not take into account the ingenuity of fools, nor the power of numbers."
Your Weapon pool could fill 125 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 108 ranks.
Your Survival pool could fill 31 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 184 ranks.
Your Lore pool could fill 14 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 162 ranks.
Time Development Points: -4724
I'tll prolly be lower come release time though, Expertise is supposed to figure into there too yea? Plus I dropped Brawling and LE which leveled out negative gain. tbh, I think counting that my debt is just barely starting to shrink.
And Codiax, what armor skills are you training? I'm curious how many things are draining and at what rank.
IM: Dannyboy00001111
"Fool proof system do not take into account the ingenuity of fools, nor the power of numbers."
ISHARON
Re: Negative TDPs
11/29/2012 03:22 PM CST
>>Magic1300: Guess it sucks for all us NMUs then. I'll pray we get magic sooner rather than later.
The new magic skills help to offset the loss some, but my two main characters are MUs and are significantly in the negative. I think it has more to do with how many "redundant" skills you trained (and whether you were getting a lot of TDPs from Vocals).
I just try to think of it as getting an interest-free TDP loan.
Paladin, 107th circle
TDPs : -1116
Your Armor pool could fill 6 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 185 ranks.
Your Weapon pool could fill 2 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 52 ranks.
Your Lore pool could fill 45 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 154 ranks.
Your Magic pool could fill 6 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 140 ranks.
Your Survival pool could fill one empty skill to 143 ranks.
Empath, 129th circle
TDPs : -1218
Your Lore pool could fill 60 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 144 ranks.
Your Magic pool could fill 10 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 146 ranks.
Your Survival pool could fill one empty skill to 1 rank.
Your Armor pool could fill 2 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 194 ranks.
Your Weapon pool could fill one empty skill to 110 ranks.
Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall rank!
The new magic skills help to offset the loss some, but my two main characters are MUs and are significantly in the negative. I think it has more to do with how many "redundant" skills you trained (and whether you were getting a lot of TDPs from Vocals).
I just try to think of it as getting an interest-free TDP loan.
Paladin, 107th circle
TDPs : -1116
Your Armor pool could fill 6 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 185 ranks.
Your Weapon pool could fill 2 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 52 ranks.
Your Lore pool could fill 45 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 154 ranks.
Your Magic pool could fill 6 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 140 ranks.
Your Survival pool could fill one empty skill to 143 ranks.
Empath, 129th circle
TDPs : -1218
Your Lore pool could fill 60 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 144 ranks.
Your Magic pool could fill 10 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 146 ranks.
Your Survival pool could fill one empty skill to 1 rank.
Your Armor pool could fill 2 empty skills to 200 ranks and one empty skill to 194 ranks.
Your Weapon pool could fill one empty skill to 110 ranks.
Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall rank!
CLEARLEAF
Re: Negative TDPs
11/30/2012 11:54 AM CST
I seem to recall being +1600 tdps when first logging in to Test, but after I ranked a skill I dropped to -92 or some such thing. So I'm curious how it will shake out at go live.
KROONERMANREVENGE
Re: Negative TDPs
11/30/2012 12:20 PM CST
I gained about 800 tdps personally. Was confused.
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PENDUS
Re: Negative TDPs
11/30/2012 01:32 PM CST
I gained about 6000 I think.
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Kodius fled to the west in terror!
Roundtime: 2 sec.
Your body tightens as you draw your arms together in a sinuous, flowing motion, mimicking the form you were trained to adopt for this roar of warning.
Kodius fled to the west in terror!
Roundtime: 2 sec.
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SCHULTZS3
Re: Negative TDPs
11/30/2012 04:07 PM CST
Both my Trader and Thief come out approximately down 12-14 hundred TDP. The two differences are that my Thief only has like 90 TDP in Prime while my Trader has like 1100 TDP in Prime. Also because I don't need such a heavy Charisma investment on my Trader, I can/will/have respec'ed down to 40 Charisma. Might even be able to do 30 and still reach the maximum Trader bonus. So the -294 or so on my Trader is irrelevant. The -1074 on the Thief, that hurts. It hurts even more because the Thief does not get as much bonus pool as the Trader, only about 19x200 rank pools. The Trader gets about 45.
Empath comes out slightly negative but has a large surplus in 2.0 to cushion the blow. MM comes out ahead about 400 TDP.
Kaeta Airtag
>>Actually an opinion cannot be changed or corrected. Nice try back of line.-VERATHOR
>>But it can be wrong.-Starlear
Empath comes out slightly negative but has a large surplus in 2.0 to cushion the blow. MM comes out ahead about 400 TDP.
Kaeta Airtag
>>Actually an opinion cannot be changed or corrected. Nice try back of line.-VERATHOR
>>But it can be wrong.-Starlear
MYTHORLOGICAL
Re: Negative TDPs
11/30/2012 04:19 PM CST
I managed to break almost exactly even somehow. Last I checked, Leilond's spreadsheet had me down about 2k, so idk how that happened, but it's great.
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DIMINISHEDANGEL
Re: Negative TDPs
12/01/2012 12:26 AM CST
+800 here. Hurrah for all those years of sandbagging to train every single skill in the game?
