You asked, here it is. Whacky roundtime included for your enjoyment.

60 mana stw
60 mana em
60 mana sott

stuck with juvs because im lazy.


all full aim, all melee ranged snipes in the process of aim;stalk;snipe.


1st shot

H> snipe

You remain concealed by your surroundings, convinced that your moving to fire went unobserved.
< Driving in like an unbeatable force, you attack an opalescent pink arrow at a juvenile desert armadillo. A juvenile desert armadillo badly fails to block with its plated hide.
The arrow lands a very heavy hit that raps it sharply across the knuckles.

The opalescent pink arrow lodges itself shallowly into the desert armadillo!
[You're solidly balanced with no advantage.]
[Roundtime 9 sec.]



2nd shot


H> snipe

You remain concealed by your surroundings, convinced that your moving to fire went unobserved.
< Moving like a striking snake, you attack an opalescent pink arrow at a juvenile desert armadillo. A juvenile desert armadillo attempts to dodge, avoiding only some of the blow.
The arrow lands a very heavy hit that buckles the left knee for a moment with a painful frontal blow.

The opalescent pink arrow lodges itself shallowly into the desert armadillo!
[You're solidly balanced with no advantage.]
[Roundtime 9 sec.]




3rd shot


H> snipe

You remain concealed by your surroundings, convinced that your moving to fire went unobserved.
< Moving with incredible power and control, you attack an opalescent pink arrow at a juvenile desert armadillo. A juvenile desert armadillo fails to evade, only partially avoiding the impact.
The arrow lands a heavy strike that barely pierces the skin to nick the chest, lightly stunning it.

The opalescent pink arrow lodges itself shallowly into the desert armadillo!
[You're solidly balanced and in dominating position.]
[Roundtime 9 sec.]


4th shot

H> snipe

You remain concealed by your surroundings, convinced that your moving to fire went unobserved.
< Moving in with powerful grace, you attack an opalescent pink arrow at a juvenile desert armadillo. A juvenile desert armadillo badly fails to block with its plated hide.
The arrow lands an extremely heavy hit that slides the opalescent pink arrow deeply into the stomach, stunning it.

The opalescent pink arrow lodges itself firmly into the desert armadillo!
[You're solidly balanced and in dominating position.]
[Roundtime 9 sec.]


5th shot

You remain concealed by your surroundings, convinced that your moving to fire went unobserved.
< Driving in like an unbeatable force, you attack an opalescent pink arrow at a juvenile desert armadillo. A juvenile desert armadillo fails to evade, only partially avoiding the impact.
The arrow lands a heavy strike that blasts into the right hand and breaks several fingers, stunning it.

The opalescent pink arrow lodges itself firmly into the desert armadillo!
[You're solidly balanced and in dominating position.]
[Roundtime 9 sec.]


6th shot


H> snipe

You remain concealed by your surroundings, convinced that your moving to fire went unobserved.
< Moving with powerful grace, you attack an opalescent pink arrow at a juvenile desert armadillo. A juvenile desert armadillo barely fails to block with plated hide.
The arrow lands a heavy strike that drives the opalescent pink arrow deep into the ribcage to savage the lungs, severely stunning it.

The opalescent pink arrow lodges itself deeply into the desert armadillo!
[You're solidly balanced and in dominating position.]
[Roundtime 9 sec.]



HR> load

You remain concealed by your surroundings, convinced that your loading went unobserved.
You reach into your quiver to load the pirate's bow with an opalescent pink arrow.
Roundtime 3 sec.
HR>
A juvenile desert armadillo falls over and, after a couple of spasms, is still.







1st shot

H> snipe

You remain concealed by your surroundings, convinced that your moving to fire went unobserved.
< Moving in with powerful grace, you attack an opalescent pink arrow at a juvenile desert armadillo. A juvenile desert armadillo badly fails to block with its plated hide.
The arrow lands a hard hit to the armadillo's right arm.

The opalescent pink arrow lodges itself shallowly into the desert armadillo!
[You're solidly balanced with no advantage.]
[Roundtime 9 sec.]


2nd shot


H> snipe

You remain concealed by your surroundings, convinced that your moving to fire went unobserved.
< Driving in like an unbeatable force, you attack an opalescent pink arrow at a juvenile desert armadillo. A juvenile desert armadillo badly fails to block with its plated hide.
The arrow lands a very heavy hit that lightly bruises the armadillo's side with an attack which fails to pierce the skin, lightly stunning it.

The opalescent pink arrow lodges itself shallowly into the desert armadillo!
[You're solidly balanced and in dominating position.]
[Roundtime 9 sec.]



3rd shot

H> snipe

You remain concealed by your surroundings, convinced that your moving to fire went unobserved.
< With the speed and temerity of a swooping falcon, you attack an opalescent pink arrow at a juvenile desert armadillo. A juvenile desert armadillo badly fails to block with its plated hide.
The arrow lands a massive strike that rips free two fingers from the right hand, stunning it.

The opalescent pink arrow lodges itself deeply into the desert armadillo!
[You're solidly balanced and in dominating position.]
[Roundtime 9 sec.]



4th shot


H> snipe

You remain concealed by your surroundings, convinced that your moving to fire went unobserved.
< Moving as one fluid extension of power, you attack an opalescent pink arrow at a juvenile desert armadillo. A juvenile desert armadillo attempts to dodge, avoiding only some of the blow.
The arrow lands a powerful strike that stabs deeply into the scalp, knocking it completely senseless.

The opalescent pink arrow lodges itself firmly into the desert armadillo!
[You're solidly balanced and in dominating position.]
[Roundtime 9 sec.]



5th shot


H> snipe

You remain concealed by your surroundings, convinced that your moving to fire went unobserved.
< With the speed and temerity of a swooping falcon, you attack an opalescent pink arrow at a juvenile desert armadillo. A juvenile desert armadillo badly fails to block with its plated hide.
The arrow lands an extremely heavy hit that slams the sternum into the heart with a sickening Crack!.

The opalescent pink arrow lodges itself shallowly into the desert armadillo!
A juvenile desert armadillo falls over and, after a couple of spasms, is still.
[You're solidly balanced]
[Roundtime 9 sec.]






1st shot


H> snipe

You remain concealed by your surroundings, convinced that your moving to fire went unobserved.
< Driving in like an unbeatable force, you attack an opalescent pink arrow at a juvenile desert armadillo. A juvenile desert armadillo badly fails to block with its plated hide.
The arrow lands a heavy strike that barely pierces the skin to nick the chest.

The opalescent pink arrow lodges itself shallowly into the desert armadillo!
[You're solidly balanced with no advantage.]
[Roundtime 1 sec.]


2nd shot


You remain concealed by your surroundings, convinced that your moving to fire went unobserved.
< Driving in like the irresistable force of a cyclone, you attack an opalescent pink arrow at a juvenile desert armadillo. A juvenile desert armadillo fails to dodge, avoiding only some of the blow.
The arrow lands an extremely heavy hit that imbeds the opalescent pink arrow into the top of the armadillo's left foot, lightly stunning it.

The opalescent pink arrow lodges itself shallowly into the desert armadillo!
[You're solidly balanced and in dominating position.]
[Roundtime 9 sec.]


3rd shot



You remain concealed by your surroundings, convinced that your moving to fire went unobserved.
< Moving like a striking snake, you attack an opalescent pink arrow at a juvenile desert armadillo. A juvenile desert armadillo badly fails to block with its plated hide.
The arrow lands an extremely heavy hit that pokes the opalescent pink arrow into the armadillo's rear end (more embarrassing than painful!).

The opalescent pink arrow lodges itself shallowly into the desert armadillo!
[You're solidly balanced and in better position.]
[Roundtime 9 sec.]


4th shot


You remain concealed by your surroundings, convinced that your moving to fire went unobserved.
< With the speed and temerity of a swooping falcon, you attack an opalescent pink arrow at a juvenile desert armadillo. A juvenile desert armadillo badly fails to block with its plated hide.
The arrow lands a powerful strike that tears the skin over the left elbow, lightly stunning it.

The opalescent pink arrow lodges itself shallowly into the desert armadillo!
[You're solidly balanced and in dominating position.]
[Roundtime 9 sec.]


5th shot


H> snipe

You remain concealed by your surroundings, convinced that your moving to fire went unobserved.
< Moving as one fluid extension of power, you attack an opalescent pink arrow at a juvenile desert armadillo. A juvenile desert armadillo badly fails to block with its plated hide.
The arrow lands a vicious strike that rips the armadillo's right leg off at the knee with a dead-center blow to the kneecap.
That would have stuck if there was anything left to stick to!
The opalescent pink arrow falls to the ground!
A juvenile desert armadillo falls over and, after a couple of spasms, is still.
[You're solidly balanced]
[Roundtime 9 sec.]



and there you have it, i'd say it's doing just about the same damage as regular shots.



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Kssarh gestures at you.
Two Ranger journeymen materialize out of the surrounding trees and begin to whisper to Kssarh as they escort him out of the area.

>I am not convinced Snipe should get a damage bonus because you remain hidden

Come on. Let's hold of on this for a bit. It is SOOO easy to train perception, WATCH is a perception hack, and there are a whole host of spells that boost perception.

If in PVP, someone can't see someone at level snipe them (or load or aim for that matter) they need to go kick piles of rocks for few months like the other 439 people in game at any given time are doing.

Let's not take one of the last remaining perks of stealth and hit it with the nerf bat just yet.

Unless you want to make the trade and take WATCH out of the game, and down tweak the perception training of collecting?

Likewise, you could make the contest to stay hidden a bit more difficult as well?

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Player of Diggan, Ranger & Halfing of Aesry

WATCH won't work if they don't know you are coming... also, you can't WATCH 2 people at once and WATCH has a cooldown. Is it really that big of a problem for folks?

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"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes

IMO stealth should be balanced so that WATCH isn't required. Benefits and drawbacks and all that.

~ Leilond
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h307/ss1shadow/Leilond_Progression.jpg

I can see that there is an advantage to staying hidden, the problem is that because of perception being somewhat hax right now, you run into the fact that "staying hidden" doesn't help that much. Because everyone has perception through the roof.

I'm not sure how it works now, if you get any bonus at all for a failure, but I think it should work like this:

Full Success Snipe = Moderate To-Hit+ (same as poach) & Moderate Damage+
Partial Success Snipe (slip from hiding) = Moderate to-hit (same as poach but with different messaging)
Partial Failed Snipe = Fire (pulled from hiding - spot effect)
Epic Fail Snipe = Penalty like (like 50% aim?)

You could even bump the difficulty a bit, IF (big if) you tweak the training on perception a bit and definitely nix WATCH.

>Is it really that big of a problem for folks?

Yes, people have said it's a hack from the very beginning and no one has every listen. It's got to be near global caps for a bonus (and I don't know if stacks).

OR... if you want to even the field, I want to be able to HIDE from <PLAYER> where I get a bonus to stealth and stealing against that one player, but in doing that, I have a penalty for everyone else.
It could even message something like, "What was that? Oh well, you must be seeing things."

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Player of Diggan, Ranger & Halfing of Aesry