Made some tweaks but I'm missing the requirements for Misdirection and Whispers of the Muse. Please let me know if anything else is wrong or missing. Thanks.

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>>I'll give you a heads up before you go putting links into that image and whatnot - I'm still going to be revising a lot of the Bard preqs - likely today or tomorrow.

*throws a tantrum* Thanks for the heads up. I actually held off on posting the other trees that aren't up yet because YOU GUYS KEEP MOVING AND ADDING THINGS! Stop working so hard geez!

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i'd also like to request that pyre be a bit easier to cast if its being moved to have a 30th circle prerequisite rather than a 40th.

With only 2 TM spells that I can see in the bard spellbook <BOS and PYRE>, having this to train TM with would be much better.


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At the top right you still have it labeled Elemental Control. Its Elemental Invocations

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>>Is Joy becoming introductory or basic, then? Because I doubt you'd put an esoteric at the base of the tree.

Yeah, we'll get to that. Several of the spells are moving around that way (Again, only Elemental Invocations is entirely updated in that respect).

>>i'd also like to request that pyre be a bit easier to cast if its being moved to have a 30th circle prerequisite rather than a 40th.

This is actually an addition of the 30th circle req, I decided it should be gated by more than just BoS being esoteric.

>>With only 2 TM spells that I can see in the bard spellbook <BOS and PYRE>, having this to train TM with would be much better.

Abandon Heart and Chorus of Madmen (When it's done) both use Target as well. There are also AP spells and I have two other TM spells (one of them the scream conversion) planned for Bards, but TM is never going to be their strong point.

I'm not entirely sure where the Scream spell will fit in at this point as a preq (It'll be in Sound Manipulation, but might touch into Elemental Invocations for a preq) - the other spell will likely rest parallel to BoS as an alternative preq.

Also keep in mind that TM/Debilitation training is based on the target, not the spell, so you can train with BoS throughout your entire career if you wanted.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

>>It just occurred to me that you might have meant "BoS and being esoteric", in which case nevermind.

Yeah, my statement wasn't very clear. What I meant was I didn't want you go to go 0 slot intro spell --> basic spell --> esot-holycrapicantcastit

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

Corrections to your chart:

Resolve - basic
Pride - This is an Emotion Control spell

Fae Arts:
Wolves (Intro) - None
Joy (Intro) - None
Fae (Basic) - Wolves + 20th
Eye (Basic) - Wolves or Joy + 10th
Nexus (Esoteric) - Fae + 50th
Sanctuary (Esoteric) - Eye + 30th (Is now a utility spell)

Emotion Control:
Grace (Intro) - None
Muse (Basic) - Grace
Pride (Basic) - Grace
Lullaby (Advanced) - Muse (Note this spell isn't converted yet)
Misdirection (Advanced) - Muse
Rage (Advanced) - Pride
Abandon Heart (Esoteric) - Lilt + Lullaby + 60th
Balm (Esoteric) - Lullaby + 30th

These preqs and some of the tier changes are NOT live yet, just outlining them since you're already making the spell tree graphic and whatnot.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

>>How heavily has she trained TM?

115 or so. Totally understand that isn't a great amount, just wanted to note the circle req and at least her experience didn't fit.

Before the last change upping the difficulty in test, she was able to cast it for what it's worth, so we are hoping she is not far off.

Thanks

A few mistakes there: Pride and WM are not ritual spells. Soul is a ritual spell.

>DEMA - BoS and 40th
>Pyre - BoS and 30th

Is DEMA difficulty changing then? Right now, I have about the same ranks in debil and TM (144 and 140, respectively, 201 PM), and I can't cast PYRE at all (5 mana min prep) but can cast DEMA just fine at above min prep. It seems to me that as is, PYRE should require 40th and DEMA 30th, in terms of difficulty to cast. And unless things have changed, PYRE's power on the low end might need to be increased. A 5 mana PYRE is the equivalent of a Bic lighter. I don't expect a min-mana cast to be a flamethrower, but it shouldn't take 5-6 minutes to kill something (that I outclass, so it's not teaching) when it's hitting every pulse, should it?

Any idea where Chorus of Madmen will fit into all of this, roughly? (in terms of pre-reqs)

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Sweetness, thanks!

Do you happen to know of Madmen will be changing in any significant way in its translation to 3.0?

~ Leilond
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> Overall it shouldn't change much,

I didn't play with it much in 2.0, but my impression was that it was only capable of superficial damage. Hopefully the damage formula is revisited.

Either way, really excited for it. I love flavor and messaging that I've seen of it.

>>I love flavor and messaging that I've seen of it.

Yeah, if ever there was a non-Necromancer non-Sorcery spell that could give Social Outrage, Chorus of Madmen would be it IMO. Which is one of the reasons I love it so :3

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Damage isn't the point of Chorus, though I wouldn't stay it's damage is superficial so much as rather hard to achieve (It only starts showing up when you really crush people in the contest).

I haven't yet figured out exactly how I'm going to make the hybrid spell function which is part of why it's been sitting - it doesn't really conform at all to standard TM style spells, but I don't want it to lose the damage possibilities.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

hopefully not TOO big a circle req for madmen. I used to enjoy going to dirge Madmen and making them even crazier... :_)


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