Test should have fresh copies of folks again, and I've got some new grandfathering mechanics there to hopefully resolve issues people were reporting. I've also changed the requirements for 150+ circle so that 2nd Supernatural won't outpace 1st Supernatural. 1st Supernatural will require 10 ranks per circle past 150, and 2nd Supernatural will require 8 ranks per circle past 150.

Khri are back on global preview, since the learning/unlearning tests seem to be working fine and there is little need to make folks run around relearning stuff again.

If you had any previous concerns about grandfathering, or are just curious what the new grandfathering looks like (should be about the same really, unless it messed up the for you before), please be sure to at least log in to Test and take a look at your skills.

FGM Ricinus
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Magic, Sentients Team Member
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Warding is not a Thief Skill? No Khri associated with that skill?

<< log in to Test and take a look at your skills.

Looks good and based on how grandfathering is allocating the ranks, i'm glad the circle requirements were swapped for 150 and up.

Circle: 121
Did I do my math wrong on the requirements?

Skill	GF	Reqs
Inner Magic	430	344
Augmentation	353	263
Debilitation	268	164
Utility	268	164?
Attunement	56	N/A
Arcana	389	N/A
Targeted Magic	227	N/A
Warding	47	N/A
Sorcery	31	N/A

Yamcer

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"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF

>>Khri are back on global preview, since the learning/unlearning tests seem to be working fine and there is little need to make folks run around relearning stuff again.

Thank you! I'll be happy to go back and test things again:)

Right now I'm basking in the glory of thinking my grandfathering with this copy is finally correct.

Give me a bit to see if that wears off and I'll try to figure out if what you guys posted is right too.

I will say at a really quick glance, everyone looks right no. Yam's are harder to tell obviously, but your IM looks exactly right. I'm not sure about your 1/2nd supers tho.

Yeah it looks like people are still getting numbers all over the place for their 2nd super...

Yam got something like circle +20%.

DYERA7's got circle +230%, heh.

Tigerclaw got circle + 4%.

I got circle +1%

Another super huge awesome thief I know got circle +2%



But, everyone's numbers for IM and 1st super look right on at circle +25%.

>>Yeah it looks like people are still getting numbers all over the place for their 2nd super

Well, they may look all over the place to you, but they're actually all correct. They are all scaling the way it is intended to scale, and people at the same circle are getting exactly the same results across the board.

FGM Ricinus
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Magic, Sentients Team Member
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<< As long as its is actually the same math that Barbs got, I guess I can't really argue with it because whats done is done.

I don't agree. This is exactly why i brought it up. I'm not saying that the forumulas are putting out wrong numbers, i just don't think we should be using the same math because the requirements are not the same.

Now that we officially know our requirements i have enough evidence to present my case:

http://forums.play.net/forums/DragonRealms/Dragon%20Realms%203.1%20Test/Thieves/view/366

guild	circle	circle requirement	grandfathering
Barbarian (gort)	170	530	825
Thief (me)	156	520	650

We should not be treated the same as Barbarians when we're not the same. I don't have the full GF data at my disposal right now, but just based on the relative circle requirements we're not getting the same results as Barbarians.

Any thoughts? Am i making any sense here?

>I don't agree. This is exactly why i brought it up. I'm not saying that the forumulas are putting out wrong numbers, i just don't think we should be using the same math because the requirements are not the same.

It is actually the same, but Ric swaped the 1st/2nd super to 10/8 at 151 and up instead of 8/10. But its the same amounts. I think it's actually better this way.

My point was I can finally see what they did for 2nd super.

The higher circle you are the less bonus you get on top of the circle req.

That's excrement from a bull.

I'm amazed that barbarians let it happen 13 months ago, but it did, so I guess I just have to eat it and smile like I love it.

:)

1 2 2 3 3 8 is for 1st Supernatural, not Inner Fire

Inner Fire is 1 2 3 3 4 10.

FGM Ricinus
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Magic, Sentients Team Member
Cleric Advocate

<< Inner Fire is 1 2 3 3 4 10.

Wow, okay, i did not expect those officially posted requirements to be that wrong and those Barbs didn't even bother to correct it?

In that case everything checks out, thank you.