<<Sslad, you have pretty crap ranks in magic. Khri are powered by magic. No, there's nothing you can do about this, it's the grandfathering. Ergo till you get at-level ranks in magic (certainly more than 100 at 50th) your magic is going to suck.

That right there is proof of statement on issues with grandfathering. There's just no excuse for someone who didn't have magic reqs or ability to train it in 3.0 to log into 3.1 and basically find that all their abilities run off a system they couldn't prepare for and are now basically unusable.

Blech.


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Another data point for khri learning rates.

328 Utility using sensing and shadowstep for their full 23 minute duration, and not using khri meditation more than a couple times at the beginning to get it moving, end with Utility being 11/34. Not horrible, but not really great in my opinion. It does look like high end is going to need some adjustment.

Because there is no way to say 'you would have trained 4x the min ranks, but you would have trained 10x, and you would have trained just to circle'.

So they stick with the min ranks, plus some percentage, and flat out say it's not going to be what it would have been if you trained from zero, but there's no other reasonable metric to gauge against.

And while I hate the numbers and think they should be higher (for example: I had a 25th barb get grandfathered and then trained up the same char to 25 post 3.0, and had more than double the grandfathered ranks), it IS the only metric they can judge by. So it's crappy but fair and logical.

The potency of the ranks probably does scale differently than other skills. This is precisely how barbarian grandfathering panned out--potency caps relatively early while additional ranks add to duration. This is not consistent with say, magic. It does make sense though.

Thieves Guild feedback on testing is the ONLY thing that belongs in this folder.

As has already been mentioned we are now at ZERO Tolerance on the 3.1 folders.

This can and will result in the loss of posting ability for at least 30 days if this continues.

Kindly knock it off.

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>and it sure would be nice if there was a damaging AOE attack...

Aside from, say, whirlwhind, or some sort of LT tornado, how would you design a thief AoE damage ability? Khri is intrinsically self-oriented, so we can't do a fire rain, or anything like that.

>Did it really seem like I just asked for thieves to be able to cast fire rain?

No, I was just using it as an example, since FoU is less well known.

I'm not against physical based AoE, but we're not getting whirlwind, and I don't want one tied to a specific weapon (LT), etc. and honestly am not that interested in using one that requires a physical item, since these attacks consume concentration, and magic consumes mana, and magic doesn't require physical items.

So I'm not sure what's really reasonable. We don't have roars, we don't have sonic attacks, we've already got a few room-based moves.

Honestly, I hate to say this, but from from a design standpoint, thieves might be better off being focused purely on bringing a single target down fast, and locking down multiples, rather than just bulldoze damaging them.

>Honestly, I hate to say this, but from from a design standpoint, thieves might be better off being focused purely on bringing a single target down fast, and locking down multiples, rather than just bulldoze damaging them.

I know and I almost agree, I just hate how useless I feel standing next to everyone else in the room casting/spamming aoe stuff like crazy.

For quests and invasions in 3.0, its really like the thief might as well just take a nap or leave.

That can't be the DR we should want to play, so something has to change.