not a table, but what I did with my paladin, bard and necromancer character <and am planning to do for the rest of my MU's> is list all the spell "must-haves" that train the various different magic skills <debil, warding, utility, TM,augment>, write myself a script to make sure I can both cast it, and that it teaches <although I haven't tried all of them over in test>, copy down how many slots it takes, plus any prereqs <listed on epedia>, and then added any absolute "must-haves" in the feats <i.e. deep attunement for cyclics>. So Need, then after that, if I have any slots I have left over, I select them as fitting that character. <i.e.my tezirite will eventually have to get those sorcery spells>. Plus spells that I need from the analogous book - i.e. my necro has to leave a slot for strange arrow for casting TM in justice areas.

So I basically have them charted out for myself based on the character.



<<If I can't cast thunderclap, you can't summon the dark lord of the abyss to devour the flesh of the innocent>>

All that info is available on EPedia for I believe all MUs. I've definitely kajiggered around with my Necromancer trying to figure out what spells he needs.

It is kind of a drag to me that at 100th circle he cannot learn all the spells, but then, there are a handful he doesn't use ever, and he doesn't need every feat, so, you know.

>>It is kind of a drag to me that at 100th circle he cannot learn all the spells, but then, there are a handful he doesn't use ever, and he doesn't need every feat, so, you know.

I think that's by design. The GMs seem to be pushing the idea of having to make intelligent choices. For myself, as long as I can train all the magics, heal, and make pets I'm calling it solid. Last peek in test my Necro could do just that after pairing down on feats. My Paladin (150+) is much easier, more just choosing necessary feats.

Samsaren

>>It is kind of a drag to me that at 100th circle he cannot learn all the spells

On the other side of the coin, it's probably a drag when you're over 100 and don't have more spells to get.

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Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.

What I want to see is the ability to "Refund" slots. Prefferably something akin to Crafting and Techs cold hard CASH aka plats. Good plat sink and also helps for down the road when spell X no longer teaches and to get spell Z that does I need the slots.

will throne city still work for spell slots refunds, etc?


<<If I can't cast thunderclap, you can't summon the dark lord of the abyss to devour the flesh of the innocent>>

I would hope that there'd be an intermediate spell forget system in place short term while people figure out how many spell slots they have and such.

>We need to turn off the TC spell forgetting dude, I think. I'm talking to Armifer about the right way to do that, though.

In case there's any chance it's still up for discussion, I still like the idea of the spell erasure guy in 3.1, with limited use of course. Although the 3.x goal making all spells unique and worthwhile was definitely realized, it sounds like spell tweaks (and releases) will continue beyond 3.1. I'd hate to be unable to learn some awesome new spell because I ran out of slots and can't unlearn anything.

>As I said on a different thread, we're very conscious of this. We need to make the right decisions for spell unlearning, though, and adding that to this release isn't really in scope. We'll tackle it after 3.1 goes out but before major changes that would make you second guess your choices come out.

As long as it's still on the table, and not simply being axed (you'll pardon me if I didn't read the inflamatory posts which started this?).

Honestly, I think it's a bad idea to remove a possibly critical function like this, and that those are shabby at best reasons. If a player wants to chicken little and freak out and wipe his spells...so what? It doesn't impact the game, and helps keep players from being stuck when 'super awesome X' comes out, but no GMs have had time to redesign, QC, etc. the new spell removal mechanics. Because we all know, sometimes, even with the flat out amazing GMs we have right now, things just don't get done.

Basically I'm saying don't remove the brakes on your car because you're going to upgrade them at some point, in the future, after you design and fabricate them. Remove them when you have the new better brakes sitting in your hand.

>the spell forgetter dude

Lol, awesome. How about something along the lines of how we forget crafting techs? That's a simple easy solution that's already in place and accepted by the masses, takes money out of circulation, but at a price we don't like to pay often but will when we need to, and it's something that's already in game that we're used to, just need to change up the wording I'd think to have it make sense for getting a spell wiped from your mind.

>>Never been a fan of pay-to-win...

While I can see that being a bit of a "mewh" thing is this not a very nice "plat sink"

>>It would still be a nice plat sink if it cost even more.

Agreed provided it is within reason so folks would actualy use it which they do now and waste 1000s of plats on it. If it was OMG pricey no one would use it so it would not be much of a plat sink.

>>That said, we aren't going to be adding this to the 3.1 release. Afterwards, we'll look at it, but adding anything new to 3.1 is off the table.

Happy with the "soon" option. 3.1 has balooned from what it originaly was supposed to have as it is I doubt anyone wants to see it baloon further.